The old Kirk was a rule breaker, he did violate orders in Amok Time but was later allowed to go to Vulcan, just as he crossed the Neutral Zone in Balance Of Terror before he was given permission, Then there's breaking the Prime Directive in A Private Little War. But this Krik lost his father at an early age and clearly is a rather more reckless person than the other Kirk. Still though I can't see his command being returned to him by the end of the movie.
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That is what I am thinking to.
Harrison is Bane and Weller's Character is Ra's al Ghul.
Conspiracy theory mode: The 2007/8 fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men just happened to have a similar time travel/alternate reality plot to JJ's 2009 movie (STXI: George Kirk dies at Jim's birth, OGaM: Winona and unborn Jim bite the dust)
Fast forward to now, and the makers of OGaM are putting together Star Trek: Renegades, featuring Captain Lexxa Singh, a female descendant of Khan. I thought it was the fanwankiest thing I've read in years, but... coincidence?
*applies tin foil hat*
I'm sure he's going to get it back.
http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/22/jj-...-into-darkness-plot-themes-lens-flares-in-3d/
Yeah, that's been proposed here recently.
I been mocking all the crazy speculation but that is the most likely thing I have heard. Ego driven partially because I had the same idea. The real world comparison maybe neo-Nazi's and the Klan. The War might long be over but that does not mean there are not still those on the fringes of society would do not hold on to the ideas of the losers. Also it would be an original angle not explored before. JJ was motivated to do the first movie because the early days of the crew had not been explored on screen before.
I actually brought this up in another topic, Orci said it was one of his favourite novels and that after watching the 9 minute trailer coupled with the trailers, I thought they might've gone in this direction.
One thing that really stands out in some of these pics and others we've seen.. SPOCK'S HAIR. It's mussy. Spock's hair is never mussy but it seems NuSpock is a bit lax on the product.
Prime Directive in the 24th Century
On some of the mission orders seen in "Conspiracy", three starships were sent to investigate the pre-warp civilization on Gamma Argus II. The captains were given discretion in making first contact with the native civilization.
Relationship between Spock and Surak
In "Journey to Babel", it was learned that the relationship between Spock and Surak became strained after Spock chose to enter into Starfleet. It took a series of events aboard the Enterprise to change the trajectory of the relationship.
One of the changes I feel that is being reflected in this new iteration of Star Trek is the loss of character for the Enterprise. I feel the ship is used either as a backdrop to establish scenes or as a disposable vessel to transport the heroes.
On some of the mission orders seen in "Conspiracy", three starships were sent to investigate the pre-warp civilization on Gamma Argus II. The captains were given discretion in making first contact with the native civilization.
Relationship between Spock and Surak
In "Journey to Babel", it was learned that the relationship between Spock and Surak became strained after Spock chose to enter into Starfleet. It took a series of events aboard the Enterprise to change the trajectory of the relationship.
One of the changes I feel that is being reflected in this new iteration of Star Trek is the loss of character for the Enterprise. I feel the ship is used either as a backdrop to establish scenes or as a disposable vessel to transport the heroes.
Re: New Empire magazine STID photos & story info [spoilers]
I'm going with not.
These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
Enjoy...or not
..With Earth under terrorist attack from Benedict Cumberbatch’s ex-Starfleet employee John Harrison, Kirk is this time forced into a rash decision that breaks a critical Starfleet command, puts his crew in danger & costs him his captain’s chair. Now out of uniform and dressed down in space civvies of black leather jackets and boots, our three heroes have separated from the Enterprise and headed off on a mission to try and rectify his mistake…
I'm going with not.
We waited what, four-five years for this film and finally it comes out and Kirk's not going to be in command of the Enterprise? 
Terrific. I'll bet the first nine minutes are the only time Kirk's in command. Why don't we get to see any business-as-usual Trek with these new cast members?
It's almost as awesome as the Toby Maguire Spider-Man films where Spider-Man always either takes his mask off or gets it knocked off. So instead of enjoying Spider-Man as he should appear we're looking non stop at Toby Maguire's grotesque face for 2 hours intervals.
Anyway... I'm sure as a 'film' it'll be good but Star Trek... oh, how I wish it was back on television where it rightfully belongs.
Terrific. I'll bet the first nine minutes are the only time Kirk's in command. Why don't we get to see any business-as-usual Trek with these new cast members?It's almost as awesome as the Toby Maguire Spider-Man films where Spider-Man always either takes his mask off or gets it knocked off. So instead of enjoying Spider-Man as he should appear we're looking non stop at Toby Maguire's grotesque face for 2 hours intervals.
Anyway... I'm sure as a 'film' it'll be good but Star Trek... oh, how I wish it was back on television where it rightfully belongs.
These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
Re: New Empire magazine STID photos & story info [spoilers]
That would make a great sig for a disillusioned TNG fan!
That would make a great sig for a disillusioned TNG fan!
Re: New Empire magazine STID photos & story info [spoilers]
Well said Doctor Huxtable.
Enjoy...or not
..With Earth under terrorist attack from Benedict Cumberbatch’s ex-Starfleet employee John Harrison, Kirk is this time forced into a rash decision that breaks a critical Starfleet command, puts his crew in danger & costs him his captain’s chair. Now out of uniform and dressed down in space civvies of black leather jackets and boots, our three heroes have separated from the Enterprise and headed off on a mission to try and rectify his mistake…
I'm going with not.
We waited what, four-five years for this film and finally it comes out and Kirk's not going to be in command of the Enterprise?
It's almost as awesome as the Toby Maguire Spider-Man films where Spider-Man always either takes his mask off or gets it knocked off. So instead of enjoying Spider-Man as he should appear we're looking non stop at Toby Maguire's grotesque face for 2 hours intervals.
Anyway... I'm sure as a 'film' it'll be good but Star Trek... oh, how I wish it was back on television where it rightfully belongs.
These five year waits between uninspiring revenge fantasies are not my cup of Earl Grey.
Well said Doctor Huxtable.
Re: New Empire magazine STID photos & story info [spoilers]
We do see Kirk on the Enterprise and in command gold after he has supposedly been stripped of rank and gone rogue to capture Harrison. In promo pics and trailers.
We do see Kirk on the Enterprise and in command gold after he has supposedly been stripped of rank and gone rogue to capture Harrison. In promo pics and trailers.
I suspect it'll go somewhat like this: Kirk's in command and something happens and Kirk loses his command and does something so he regains it in time for the final confrontation with bad guy.
Surak was the philosopher who founded the Vulcan philosophy of logic nearly 2000 years ago. Sarek is Spock's father.
Earl Grey? This isn't TNG. ( thank god) Kirk's a coffee man.
That its a well done "revenge fantasy" is what matters. And I'm not sure "revenge fantasy" is exactly the term you're looking for.
I think people should wait and see the film before deciding that it suxxx.
Don't think anyone here thinks that it 'suxxx' before seeing it. Though I'm concerned that we seem to be hitting some of the same story points that we saw in the last film.
Star Trek hits a lot of common story points. They use the same family of characters and each story is some kind of continuation of the same characters in the same universe. The same can be said for every Trek movie that has come out since 1979. Somehow the fact that Abrams is doing it makes it not ok for some people. That's just petty.
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