New Discovery rumor: cbs in-house fx team dissolved
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One of the biggest fan complains about ENT was that it played fast and loose with the canon. So if that was pandering, they totally failed at it.
In any case, I think it is stupid to anger the fans intentionally. Sure, some people will complain no matter what, but I think there can be a reasonable balance. One of the biggest causes of fan butthurt about the JJ-Trek was the ship supersizing. Whilst that may seem like a silly grievance, it is also a thing that which would have been pretty damn easy to avoid, and it would be stupid to repeat the same issue with Discovery. (I mean non-fans will not care about the ship sizes, and in the space shots only the relative sizes of the ships will matter anyway.)
Yeah, ENT most certainly DID NOT pander to fans.
Season 4 was pure fanwank attempting to create a bridge with TOS all of a sudden.
And anger fans? oh no, a bunch of people are whining on the internet, lets just not make a profitable show that millions more people will watch and throw a franchise down the drain, turn off the lights and go home.
Or just make a good show and fuck people with a sense of entitlement?
A lot of it was silly, yet it was way better than that Temporal Cold War and whatever the mess with the Xindi was. But at that point the show had already alienated a substantial portion of the fan base.
If you have a substantial existing fan base, it is idiotic to alienate them. Sure, you need new fans and you will alienate some of the old fans no matter what you do. But I'm talking about pointless stuff like the Romulan cloak in ENT (directrly contradict one of the most beloved TOS episodes for no reason) and supersizing the ships in Kelvinverse. There are a lot of little things like that, which will just annoy some fans and new people would not care either way so there's no gain.
BTW, for a person with such apparent distaste for Star Trek fans, you seem to hang on Star Trek fan forums surprisingly lot.
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Hardly. Even if the entire fandom where singularly behind every production with no arguments whatsoever, paid immediately to have the series as it aired, we would not make up a quarter of the audience they want.
And you know that's far from the case.
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The problem with the fans that said that is: Those fans thought some fanon was actually canon when it wasn't. Of all the modern Star Trek series - ENT had the least canon contradictions.
…and it is widely regarded as the best season of the show. Well, what do you know!
I don't know that Trek has that, as far as the studio is concerned.
Meh, by some percentage of the two million or so hard-core followers who watched the fourth season. To the vast majority of people who ever followed Star Trek from 1987 on - eighty or ninety percent of them - Enterprise is known as "that show I never saw."
Oh please - As a Star Trek fan since 1969 (at age six) - arguments like that are ridiculous and hold no water. EVERYTIME a current version of Star Trek is made some portion of the fan base goes nuts and cries "Not Star Trek!" That was true of TAS, true of ST:TMP, etc. Hell, there were (and still are - and back in the day Gene Roddenberry was among them) who decried STII:TWoK as "Too Militaristic..." and GR even called STIII:TSFS 'apocryphal' because they dared destroy the original (yes, it was a refit, but technically still the base hull and ship that Kirk commanded in the TV series) starship Enterprise.
So, yeah - if you look over the 50+ year history of Star Trek productions, every incarnation has alienated some fan at some point. As for "Balance of Terror" in particular - parts of the episode itself make no sense as per Mr. Scott's line (regarding the Romulan ship) of:
Mr. Scott: "Their power is simple Impulse..."
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Which means if you follow what was established in canon - that Romulan ship should have no Warp/FTL capability...(but of course the 'shocker' is - Star Trek had yet to fully define it's 'terms' at that point; so in effect many elements of that episode contradict what later became 'standards' for the Star trek universe.
Hell, TNG's pilot episode retconned the fact that Humans had survived and NOT fought a nuclear war - which had been expressly stated multiple times:
TOS - "The Omega Glory":
Mr. Spock: "It appears they fought the war your Earth avoided..."
TOS - "Return to Tomorrow"
Kirk: "KIRK: Then perhaps your intelligence wasn't so great, Sargon. We faced a similar crisis in our early nuclear age. We found the wisdom not to destroy ourselves. "
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Yet in TNG's "Encounter At Farpoint" suddenly Earth did fight a Nuclear War - and in the TNG film "First Contact" we even find out the year - 2053. But TNG is still beloved - even though it pretty much threw out aspects established in TOS.
My point: Star Trek continuity has been EXTREMLY fluid since "The Cage" was produced and ultimately aired in "The Menagerie" - and then later in syndication once they cobbled together a full 100% in color print. Fans WANT it to be 100% consistent, but it NEVER HAS BEEN from day one across ALL Star trek series.
In the end just realize that one persons 'unforgivable alienation due to a breach of canon' in Star trek is another Star trek fans "Huh, what? Who cares?"
If you want to look at the one Star trek film that (based on worldwide box office) really alienated Star Trek fans, it's not anything by JJ Abrams - It's Rick Berman's Brannon Braga's "Star Trek: Nemesis". And to show I'm not just TNG biased the film that previously alienated Star Trek fans was STV:TFF.
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If the Star Trek franchise can survive those two utter Turkeys; it can survive anything,
This life-long Star Trek fan couldn't care less about ship sizes. And I venture to say that even amoung the small fraction of people who call themselves Star Trek fans, those who do care about ship sizes are a tiny, negelctable group.
The scale of the ship we saw in the Trekyards video may not be entirely right. But I doubt we're going to get just two starships in the whole season, we'll see ships of all sizes and shapes we haven't before.
And some of them I'm sure, will be big.
Plus if Discovery does have an enormous shuttlebay like the concepts, we could get about a dozen new shuttles to do everything we've always wanted them to.
And some of them I'm sure, will be big.
Plus if Discovery does have an enormous shuttlebay like the concepts, we could get about a dozen new shuttles to do everything we've always wanted them to.
I believe that's called "The Abrams/Meyer Maneuver"
Enterprise annoyed me because of poor writing at times, shallow character development and so on and so forth.
I coudn't care less about canon.
You know, sometimes, just sometimes, when a fan dislikes something, the general audience will dislike it also. Don't assume that fans have this unhealthy agenda to crucify objectively "good shows".
They aren't completely irreconcilable. We fought a Nuclear war but didn't destroy our civilization in the process, unlike the 2 examples from TOS. But you are right it does contradict the simple reading.
Critiscim of "fans disliking something" generally refers to things that the general audience doesn't give a flying fuck about - things relating to "canon."
Oh, I totally agree that those were far more serious issues. My reply was in the context that it was claimed that ENT was full of fan pandering while the opposite is true.
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