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New Ambassador-Class

I'm definitely no expert, but to me it looks like the original concept version that never quite got built. It was too curvy and expensive so we got a slightly simplified version for the Enterprise-C.
 
What class is the ship on the right (next to the cargo vessel on the left) in the second of the twelve smaller images on the back of the calendar?
 
I'll be honest... I like the one we got in Yesterday's Enterprise better. This just looks like a distorted Galaxy class.
 
Here's the story: During the principal design phase for The Next Generation, the senior illustrator was Andrew Probert, who designed the Enterprise-D. When creating the well-known set of relief-style Enterprise evolutionary ships for the famous wall in the 1701-D observation lounge, it was Probert who decided that the 1701-B should be an Excelsior class vessel. That left only one ship, the 1701-C, to have to imagine, so he worked out a very serious design that blended elements of the Excelsior and his own Galaxy class.

Probert had also created a simple painting for a ship that could be seen from a distance, perhaps not having to be made into a full shooting model -- an older ship that borrowed the ideas he built into the observation room model. This essentially became the "Ambassador."

The first time the Enterprise-C was realized for a model was for the third season episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" (the show I've always considered TNG's true "pilot episode"). By that time, Probert's seat as senior illustrator was being filled by Rick Sternbach (who would later design Voyager). While the TNG production crew did take extra time on "Yesterday's" since it was not your ordinary episode, they still couldn't take a whole month, so Sternbach was tasked with creating a viable vessel that fulfilled the basic principles of Probert's original design while still being relatively easy to build as a model. Thus the primary hull was made perfectly circular; the engine nacelles were extruded from simple rounded rectangles; and the pylons were L-shaped instead of wings. I've always liked Sternbach's 1701-C, not necessarily as a refinement but as a vessel representative of trying to do bigger things while staying conservative and true to principle. Sternbach's C fits the motif of an Enterprise, and I won't change that opinion now.

However. . . Along comes Andrew Probert back into the picture to complete the job he never got the opportunity to do with the show. Mind you, Probert was never bound by Sternbach's constraints -- he had all the time in the world, he didn't have to adhere to a budget, and he didn't need to be concerned with how much trouble his design might present to a model maker with a vacuum-forming machine.

So he took his time and he skipped no detail, but Probert's result (as realized fully in Tobias Richter's 3D model) is a stunningly beautiful, blow-me-out-of-the-water work of art. I say this as someone who is in the minority who never particularly embraced the Enterprise-D -- in fact, as someone who reviewed the ship, the day of TNG's premiere, as having traded the original 1701's trademark pride for a slump-shouldered slouch. Okay, so I've warmed up since then (some would say I've grown up a little, maybe, perhaps). The Probert Ambassador (officially not a "1701-C") has all the graceful, continuing, holistic lines of the Galaxy integrated with all the visual trademarks of the ships that came before, including the angular and pragmatic Excelsior.

And from many angles, this Ambassador is truly breathtaking, especially that calendar shot at the top of this thread -- if ever a Trek ship were as captivating as the greatest swimsuit model ever to adorn the month of June, this is the one. There's a single, gentle "U" shape for the engine supports that runs all the way through the center line of the secondary hull, suggesting rather than several individual components bolted and duct-taped together, a holistic and all-encompassing design into which everything blends. The primary hull has the same cheeky expression as the Galaxy, but as a perfect circle like the elder Enterprises. And rather than the body of a whale, the secondary hull on Probert's Ambassador is like a really cool surfboard -- you can imagine it skimming through space rather than plowing through it.

Personally, I wish this had been the Enterprise-D. I wish Probert had the opportunity to make one more pass, to take the sketches he was working with for the Galaxy class and work them backwards just a few steps, re-integrating the good visual elements of the earlier designs (one of which was his own treatment of Jefferies' Constitution refit, which for me remains The Greatest Ship in Star Trek). If this had been the ship on-screen in 1987, I could have reveled in the breathtaking new directions for the design (moving away from modularization, rather than toward it as Sternbach's 1701-C suggests) while finding honorary touches of what we've already come to know and love -- the blue "spininess" of the nacelle body and the ribbed neck from Excelsior, the prominent, single registry number on the lower hull and the port side atrium from the TMP Enterprise.

If you've ever tried to draw a human face from memory, both from the front and the profile like a police mugshot, you'll no doubt have discovered how easy it is to unintentionally make an expression look sad or depressed or puzzled or even distrusting. It doesn't take much to ruin an expression. Well, the Enterprise has always been as much a character in Star Trek as any of its actors. There is a certain expression that befits the Enterprise no matter who -- or, in this case, what -- is playing the role. For me, Enterprise-D has a sadness, a depression that I can't get around. It sulks, looking down from you, downtrodden and befuddled like a gape-mouthed child that has lost his way in the subway. It feels like it's melted in the hot sun, like the Statue of Liberty in "Planet of the Apes."

From a draftsman's standpoint, Probert's Ambassador is not all that different from the 1701-D. The differences are, for the most part, subtleties. And yet in terms of raw expression, it's as different as Danny Kaye from Broderick Crawford. It's proud, glorious, happy just to have a job. It feels younger.

All that said, I don't think I would replace Sternbach's 1701-C from "Yesterday's Enterprise" with Probert's Ambassador. First of all, I would hate to have to build such a beautiful model and then torch it as though the Romulans ate it for lunch. But what's more, the 1701-C that emerged from the time tunnel in the show looked sad, beaten up, bewildered -- and it needed to, because that represented the character of the ship that was necessary for this particular show. I'm not sure you could make Probert's Ambassador look beaten up, downtrodden, and defeated if you bent the back end to one side 90 degrees. This is such a great ship that, even in defeat, it would be hard to feel sorry for it because it looks ready for whatever's next.

I do love studying two great designers' very different approaches to one basic concept, with two separate and uniquely valuable outcomes, like two architects competing for the same building.

DF "Capt. Picard, May I Suggest Sending the Enterprise-D Back Through the Wormhole and leaving this Enterprise-C Here to Fight the Klingons?" Scott
 
I like the Ambassador class. I think it is fine ship, but I'd have preferred this to what we got.

I like to think USS Ambasador was a step to far, and fabrication issues combined with threat force hostilities lead Starfleet to take more conservative tack when building out from the lead ship.

It seems a bit nutty, but when one considers that Jefferies's 1701 and TMP 1701 are both considered Constitution Class--in spite of the fact that TMP is less a refit and more a rebuild--I'd say it is plausible that Probert's dream design represents the actual lead ship of the class.
 
I agree with just about everything you put down there DFScott, especially the point about using the Ent-C as the D (I remember when I was younger thinking precisely the same thing when I first saw the "real" concept) . In fact, I'd keep the studio Ent-C in its original role, as this still looks mostly like a natural progression from A-B-C-D.

Don't get me wrong: I love the "Big D" (especially in comparison to the E and subsequent hatchet-jobs...) but I do feel like it could use some work to make it a little sleeker and less unbalanced... Perhaps if it were re-worked to evolve more from this 1701-C concept (rather than the C being a result of back, we'd get such a ship.
 
Yo, I'm detecting massive quantities of player hate towards Andy P's Big D in this sector, captain.

I estimate that if it doesn't cease soon, there may be a preponderance of busted-ass kneecaps.
 
I don't think I would replace Sternbach's 1701-C from "Yesterday's Enterprise" with Probert's Ambassador.

Neither would I, if only because Sternbach's version (which I also like) is now so ingrained as the Enterprise-C, canon notwithstanding. However, I'm in the process of writing up an essay for fun about Starfleet's conjectural classes from the ST Encyclopedia, and I've come to the conclusion that this design would totally work for the Renaissance class, for several reasons. Mr. Probert, if you're reading, would you mind if I used your design in my essay?

It seems a bit nutty, but when one considers that Jefferies's 1701 and TMP 1701 are both considered Constitution Class--in spite of the fact that TMP is less a refit and more a rebuild--I'd say it is plausible that Probert's dream design represents the actual lead ship of the class.

I personally am not comfortable with the idea that both Probert's design and Sternbach's design represent the same class of ship, your TOS-vs-TMP Connie argument notwithstanding. In that case, an older less advanced design was refit into a newer more advanced one. To me, Probert's version looks more advanced than Sternbach's, so what you describe would be the exact opposite. In-universe, I'd much prefer that the design is a different class which was actually newer than the Ambassador class (i.e. the Renaissance).

Yo, I'm detecting massive quantities of player hate towards Andy P's Big D in this sector, captain.

I love the Enterprise-D. I also love the TMP Enterprise. Both ships' designer: Andrew Probert:)
 
I personally am not comfortable with the idea that both Probert's design and Sternbach's design represent the same class of ship, your TOS-vs-TMP Connie argument notwithstanding. In that case, an older less advanced design was refit into a newer more advanced one. To me, Probert's version looks more advanced than Sternbach's, so what you describe would be the exact opposite. In-universe, I'd much prefer that the design is a different class which was actually newer than the Ambassador class (i.e. the Renaissance).

FWIW I agree that Probert's Ambassador looks more advanced than Sternbach's.

Would it work to say that the original Ambassador was built to the specs of the Enterprise-C. The majority of production run Ambassadors, including the Ent-C, were built to these same specifications. The Ambassador herself was then seriously damaged in some-action-or-other while serving as the starfleet flagship causing her to be majorly refit to the Probert design. While her then prestigious role made her worthy of a refit the much-speculated problem with the original spec made it the remainder of the fleet unworth, unsuitable would perhaps be a better phrase, of the same: hence the later Ambassadors we've seen haviong Ent-C specifications.

dJE
 
Would it work to say that the original Ambassador was built to the specs of the Enterprise-C. The majority of production run Ambassadors, including the Ent-C, were built to these same specifications. The Ambassador herself was then seriously damaged in some-action-or-other while serving as the starfleet flagship causing her to be majorly refit to the Probert design. While her then prestigious role made her worthy of a refit the much-speculated problem with the original spec made it the remainder of the fleet unworth, unsuitable would perhaps be a better phrase, of the same: hence the later Ambassadors we've seen haviong Ent-C specifications.

But that's being needlessly convoluted. Why not just say that they're two different classes?
 
FWIW I agree that Probert's Ambassador looks more advanced than Sternbach's.

The "Star Trek: New Frontier" novel series initially described the Excalibur as an Ambassador-class that had been refit. I was a little disappointed when later cover art and comic books made it clear that the author had actually used the term "refit" properly and meant all the bolts had been tightened and the stores restocked. The Probert version looks a lot more like what I imagined. And the lack of the crease in the engine pylons makes it look more like the logo, too.

If I were in charge of... anything... I'd take the Probert ship as an uprated version of the class. Rarely seen but, then, it's not like the series version of the ship appeared that much.
 
I personally am not comfortable with the idea that both Probert's design and Sternbach's design represent the same class of ship, your TOS-vs-TMP Connie argument notwithstanding. In that case, an older less advanced design was refit into a newer more advanced one. To me, Probert's version looks more advanced than Sternbach's, so what you describe would be the exact opposite. In-universe, I'd much prefer that the design is a different class which was actually newer than the Ambassador class (i.e. the Renaissance).

Comfort is irrelevant. Preferences are irrelevant. You will be assimilated.

In universe or out, things like this happen. Look at the Chevy Volt, or for that matter any concept car that made the leap to production (Dodge Viper excluded). These are often more "advanced" looking in concept than in production. This is typically due to the fact that the advance tech used to fabricate the concept (and the not so advanced, too) is difficult and expensive to implement on a production line. The automaker doesn't want to expend those resources and have a flop.

All I'm proposing is the same concept writ large (some where around four to five hundred meters). They build a ship and discover due to political constraints that they need to produce more of them faster than they intended, leading to following ships to a less advanced configuration. The lack of a new class designation can be explained as simple expedience. Easier to propose the down rates as a block modification to an existing class than to go through the paperwork/red tape for a new class.

Meanwhile USS Ambassador continues as she is, much like the Excelsior update seen in Enterprise-B and the Unrefit version. For some reason the UFP chose to continue producing the "less advanced version" despite having a more high tech alternative. (The real reason being that when they switched to CGI ship's the Refit Excelsior got left out. No one is sure why, but the original filming model of Excelsior was physically upgraded to E-B in way that couldn't be reversed without damaging the model. A smaller excelsior was built for the VOY ep "Flashback" and this one was the ship the got CGI'd) Parenthetic aside aside, there's no in-universe reason for discrepancy and discrepancy it is, as may of the Excelsiors seen have registries too high to predate E-B.

Like E-B, Ambassador is probably not the only ship in her configuration, she's just out numbered by the other configuration, so we never really saw examples on screen.

Resistance if futile.
 
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