New, 14-disc Ron Jones TNG soundtrack box set!

[doubleohfive]

So if you can't afford to buy a Ferrari, that makes it harmless to steal it?

That's not what I'm saying. I just don't see anyone making less profit because of some people downloading the set illegally. Most likely these people would not have spent money on the set otherwise.

I don't say it's right or moral or legal, because it really isn't. But I don't believe the set is selling (much) worse because of illegal downloads.

That's a fairly academic point right now. The fact is Lukas is being robbed of the money he deserves for producing this album and he is (rightfully) pursuing legal action in every way he is able to put a stop to this.

Lukas/Film Score Monthly does, as not even a full 1,000 copies of the 5,000, have moved.

I just think it's flawed logic to assume those people who are downloading it would have bought the rest of these 5000 sets, if illegal downloads weren't possible.

This is just an argument for argument's sake - and a stupid one at that. This guy is a braggart and a thief.

 

[Christopher]

That's not what I'm saying. I just don't see anyone making less profit because of some people downloading the set illegally. Most likely these people would not have spent money on the set otherwise.

Which is a ludicrous oversimplification. If you really want something and are honest, then that gives you an incentive to save money until you can afford it. That's what I did with the limited-edition CD soundtracks for The Flash and the '66 Batman movie. I couldn't afford them when they first came out, and I was worried that they'd run out of copies before I made enough money to pay for them, but eventually I was able to afford them and I bought them. Heck, this box set was a bigger expenditure than I was comfortable with, but I wanted it enough that I spent the money anyway. Because I understood that you have to give value in exchange for value.

Also, it's absurd to assume that the only people who would illegally download the torrents are people who would never be able to afford it. On the contrary, I'm sure there are plenty of people who could afford it but are simply too selfish to spend the money when they can get it illegally for free.

 

[tharpdevenport]

You know what? I think there should be torrents of this everywhere, and each one comes with a horrible, hard-drive desvistrating virus that causes you to loose everything and start anew.

 

[Harvey]

As long as Film Score Monthly has copies of their limited 5,000 set run, I don't see any reason to gloat over downloading this set. The samples they've provided on their site (and the extensive liner notes) should be more than enough the whet your appetite while you save up the money to buy it (as I am at the moment).

 

[Holdfast]

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FYI, and for everyone else's edification too:

- NO file-sharing links will be posted on this forum.
- NO suggestions about where to go to download file-share copyrighted TNG material will be posted on this forum.
- The board management have repeatedly made clear there is NO tolerance for this. Warnings are given out if either of the above two conditions are breached.
- Discussion of the more general ethical issues around file-sharing is not really a matter for this forum; the point has been made sufficiently strongly by many members already.

It would be advisable to now return the thread to talking about the set itself and its contents rather than williamtaylor's post. Also, it would be wise not to flame williamtaylor; two wrongs would not make a right.

 

[swaaye]

Well torrents were going to happen at some point. It's no surprise. It's certainly disgusting to read the justifications that those people come up with though. The usual predictable dim-witted selfish rantings along with the underdog feel-good freedom preservation nonsense. Gimme a break. Try that at the store sometime instead of behind your anonymous computer screen world.

It's sad to hear that it isn't selling all that well. I was wondering about that. I'm surprised that there aren't more TNG fans going after this set. I wish I knew some people to suggest it to but I don't know anyone who's as nuts about TNG soundtracks as I.

 

[Christopher]

Not only did I buy the box set, but I've now used up most of an ink cartridge just printing out the liner notes on the FSM site. Thank goodness for 2-sided printing, or I'd have used up a lot more paper.

 

[nickyboy]

So if you can't afford to buy a Ferrari, that makes it harmless to steal it?

Not a relevant statement really one is theft one is not.

I am not condoning the actions of anyone, I just think a better comparison is required.

Just imported my CD's to itunes, can't wait to get through these.
Thanks to roliver for his custom covers!

 

[Christopher]

Bootlegging music is theft. It's foolish and wrong to think you're not stealing something just because it isn't physical. Even with no physical form, intellectual property has value, and that's what you're stealing.

 

[Jefferies]

It's a great shame to hear that the box set isn't selling well. I was really hoping this project would spark the release of further complete soundtracks from the other series. But then maybe an exclusive set like this takes a while to find its buyers. It's only been out one good month now so it might still sell out eventually. Also the fact it's not available at places like Amazon in Europe probably makes it less likely to come to peoples attention as well.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's a great shame to hear that the box set isn't selling well.

Who said it wasn't "selling well"? Selling slower than expectation, perhaps, but only a few months ago we had people fretting that supply would be exhausted on pre-orders alone. Once word continues to filter out, stocks will start to diminish.

 

[Bad Atom]

The price is what's keeping this set from selling. $149.95 for 14 discs? That's for the hardest of the hardcore.

 

[Christopher]

The price is what's keeping this set from selling. $149.95 for 14 discs? That's for the hardest of the hardcore.

But do the math. That's just over $10 per CD. In my experience, soundtrack CDs are generally more expensive than that, ranging from $13-$16 per disc. So it's actually a bargain compared to getting an equal number of CDs individually.

 

[DonIago]

^Exactly.

In any event, it's possible more sets will sell as people are currently saving up money to buy them. I had serious reservations about a one-time $150 purchase myself, but didn't want to run the risk of missing out entirely either. At this point, the latter doesn't seem to be a serious likelihood.

 

[Christopher]

In any event, it's possible more sets will sell as people are currently saving up money to buy them.

I wouldn't be surprised. I was lucky in that the set came out shortly after I got a book advance, so I was able to afford it pretty much right away. Other folks would probably have to save up for it, so it's understandable that they'd wait.

 

[Indysolo]

The price is what's keeping this set from selling. $149.95 for 14 discs? That's for the hardest of the hardcore.

But do the math. That's just over $10 per CD. In my experience, soundtrack CDs are generally more expensive than that, ranging from $13-$16 per disc. So it's actually a bargain compared to getting an equal number of CDs individually.

Most single disc albums from the specialty labels are $19.95, so this actually comes out to be an even better deal.

Neil

 

[Cicero]

Bootlegging music is theft. It's foolish and wrong to think you're not stealing something just because it isn't physical. Even with no physical form, intellectual property has value, and that's what you're stealing.

It is not theft; it's infringement. A person who has the exclusive right to a work, symbol, or idea (under protection of copyright, patent, or trademarks) does not own it; they own only a temporary right to exclusive use of it.

A person who unlawfully copies a protected work, symbol, or idea does not steal the copyright, patent, or trademark owner's right to it (the monopoly holder, after all, maintains their right to copy it); they infringe upon the exclusivity of that right. Legally, a crime, but not theft.

(I don't think an argument can be made equating diminishment of value with theft; there are many legal means to diminish the value of a license or good, none of which would be regarded as theft - though some have lead to successful suits for breach of contract.)

 

[Christopher]

^You're splitting hairs. Either way, it's wrong and selfish and criminal.

 

[Bad Atom]

It is a good deal per disc, but it isn't being sold per disc, it's being sold as a big box set and that's a big one-time purchase to make. It's like when the DVDs came out and people got sticker shock from the $100-a-season price tag.

That's not to say it isn't a good investment or it isn't worth the price they're asking for the set. And I'm sure many people are saving up for it, or waiting for the price to go down, or unfortunately turning to "alternative" means of obtaining the music. I think the sets will sell, just very slowly.

 

[nickyboy]

Bootlegging music is theft. It's foolish and wrong to think you're not stealing something just because it isn't physical. Even with no physical form, intellectual property has value, and that's what you're stealing.

Errrr no it is an act of copyright infringement not theft.