Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...

[Kagan]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by reno floyd:
I always felt that if the handrails were to be bright red they had to be red for a reason. What if they were actually supposed to flash during red alerts?

Not truly TOS, but cute.

Then again, they were black when Pike was captain. I just thought that they painted them red so that Shatner's ego could still see them and not trip over them going from the duty station level down to the command level.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

^^ Reno thats a rather interesting idea. I don't know if I'd actually include that, but it is intriguing. Did or could you make the rails flash in concert with the red alert panel by the turbolift doors? Actually the idea of them being red actually does make sense as a visual waning that you are near the edge of the upper platform, if thats what was intended or not.

Kagan, read my commentary I included with those images I posted. Yes, I did heighten the contrast a little more as well as slightly darkened the shot and altered the shade of the reds to be richer, a little darker and less intense.

 

[reno floyd]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by Warped9:
^^ Reno thats a rather interesting idea. I don't know if I'd actually include that, but it is intriguing. Did or could you make the rails flash in concert with the red alert panel by the turbolift doors? Actually the idea of them being red actually does make sense as a visual waning that you are near the edge of the upper platform, if thats what was intended or not.

Yes, I can do that, give me a few minutes.

I was actually thinking of emergency aircraft lighting when I thought of the handrail. The light would be on an entirely different circuit so if main lights went out you'd still be able to get your bearings.

EDIT: Above you'll see I've added the light by the turbo-lift. If anyone knows the correct timing of the flashes I can adjust the gif accordingly.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

^^ Man, that is darned freaky. I kinda like it although like I said I don't know if I'd include it in an update.

However, I still prefer the red on the helm/nav console.

 

[cbspock]

Re: TOS movie what if...

Posted by reno floyd:
What if the uniforms had been slightly different in the films?

What if Nick Meyer went for French instead of British influences for example:

Or what if the old department colours were kept?

They don't look that bad in blue, however the gold from the original series looks really really bad.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Photoshopping Star Trek images, looks like a great idea.

 

[Forbin]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Sometimes. But sometimes, you see Spock messing with the guts of his library computer and the "transistors" are strangely shaped blocks -- very weird and evocative of some kind of strange, future technology.

Then there was the time they popped open the grate under the bridge communication console and there was a cast iron wheel in there!!

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by websbestcomics:
Wow, those are some nice cgi schematics! As for my 'breadbox' comment, keep in mind that what you posted is NOT what is seen on TOS. You actually help support my view that Trek purists have rationized archaic-looking, completely outdated technology by assigning purpose where none existed. Nothing about the TOS shuttle would indicate or suggest the extremely complex and real-looking underworkings shown in the schematic. If you were to use TOS-era technology, I would imagine the innards of a shuttle looking like a transister radio, since that's pretty much how every other internal hardware looks in the show.

Our view about all of this differs in that I want to SEE this stuff on the screen, not assume that it exists beneath the cardboard-looking props...Oh, and here's another image. This was a tough one, because I was attempting to make the special effects NON-cgi looking, but rather the same as 1966 era...

Actually, FourMadMen's approach does refute your approach because he hasn't added anything that is revisionist, but rather follows through on the original conceptual thinking.

If he had 'followed through' according to what is shown as internal technology on TOS, then as I mentioned already, we would see a continuation of the same archaic-looking hardware that includes transister radio parts, the innards of early portable tape recorders, film reel and gears. You can claim that it's not revisionist, but if the technology doesn't directly reflect the style of TOS, then it IS revisionist. As I mentioned, the shuttle schematic that he created is AWESOME. An incredible design piece and totally acceptable to me as a convincing underworking of the shuttlecraft. But it isn't aligned with anything we have seen on TOS in regards to technology. If you have examples that refute this, please let us know. I'm just not aware of any, but I also don't claim to have total recollection of every scene in TOS (or quick access to it).

 

[Four Mad Men]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

OK, one more then I'm REALLY going to just go back to looking at the pictures...

They might very well have show transistors and the like but let me just point out that that would be more than what you see here given that all of the equipment in my model -- at present -- is hollow. But you can see the circle chart recorder, tape reel, reostats and buttons in all their as-seen-on-screen glory.

Most of these are old renders but they'll do for illustrative purposes...

We see the (unfinished) circle chart recorder in the background and the analog dial in the fore (middle?) ground.

Here we have all the computers and their lights and buttons.

The helm with it's reel-to-reel deck.

And a closeup of the port pilot console (among others).

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Like I mentioned, I love your designs, I just think it's reasonable to assume that had the original designers showed the innards of the shuttle, it would have been consistant with the other NOW archaic-looking radio parts etc as seen throughout TOS. I think there is actually some of that kind of hardware shown in the Galileo 7 episode, where Scotty and Spock work on draining their phasers into the shuttlecraft engines, although I could be wrong (perhaps that was one of the scenes where some of the more convincing technology is seen (different colored boxes etc)?

I would imagine the innards of the shuttlecraft being composed of a lot of the same kind of meaningless technological junk seen throughout the Enterprise. Keep in mind that I am of a totally revisionist philosophy in regards to a TOS 'update'. I'd have no problem at all with the designs you have created as a convincing demonstration of the inner workings of the shuttle etc. I can't wait to see more of your work, actually...

 

[AlexR]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by aridas sofia SFPO ret:
I think Warped has it right. The only problem with the "look" of TOS is what is created by the improved resolutions of our era. They make it obvious that the great designs were executed with cheap materials. They also make the sparseness of detail a bit more than a statement on futuristic simplicity, and edge toward blandness. The answer is to remake the sets and ships using better building materials and adding detail and texture. That way your plasma screen TV won't reveal the fact you're looking at a stage set.

Yes, absolutely. There are a few changes I'd make, e.g., making certain displays more dynamic instead of just blinking lights, but that's really all that's necessary. The basic designs from TOS hold up extremely well, and could be recreated today with only the most minor of modifications and still look convincing to modern viewers.

IMHO, of course.

Best,
Alex

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by websbestcomics:

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by websbestcomics:
Wow, those are some nice cgi schematics! As for my 'breadbox' comment, keep in mind that what you posted is NOT what is seen on TOS. You actually help support my view that Trek purists have rationized archaic-looking, completely outdated technology by assigning purpose where none existed. Nothing about the TOS shuttle would indicate or suggest the extremely complex and real-looking underworkings shown in the schematic. If you were to use TOS-era technology, I would imagine the innards of a shuttle looking like a transister radio, since that's pretty much how every other internal hardware looks in the show.

Our view about all of this differs in that I want to SEE this stuff on the screen, not assume that it exists beneath the cardboard-looking props...Oh, and here's another image. This was a tough one, because I was attempting to make the special effects NON-cgi looking, but rather the same as 1966 era...

Actually, FourMadMen's approach does refute your approach because he hasn't added anything that is revisionist, but rather follows through on the original conceptual thinking.

If he had 'followed through' according to what is shown as internal technology on TOS, then as I mentioned already, we would see a continuation of the same archaic-looking hardware that includes transister radio parts, the innards of early portable tape recorders, film reel and gears. You can claim that it's not revisionist, but if the technology doesn't directly reflect the style of TOS, then it IS revisionist. As I mentioned, the shuttle schematic that he created is AWESOME. An incredible design piece and totally acceptable to me as a convincing underworking of the shuttlecraft. But it isn't aligned with anything we have seen on TOS in regards to technology. If you have examples that refute this, please let us know. I'm just not aware of any, but I also don't claim to have total recollection of every scene in TOS (or quick access to it).

Either you do not read selected previous posts or you simply cannot or refuse to understand what is being said here. Either way I don't give a damn becasue I'm not discussing this with you any longer. The differences in approach have been explained repeatedly and you still do not get it. Evidently I get it since I started this damned thread. FourMadMen and Phil Broad as well as many others who've contributed to the discussion get it and easily grasp the distinction between enhancement and revisionist "improving."

Post as many revised pics as you wish since I don't own the thread, but I will no longer be commenting on them. I will not comment further because then I'd have to be warned for flaming.

 

[V\'ger]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Here's a suggestion-tweaking FX shots from THE FINAL FRONTIER, which has some of the weakest special FX(With some exceptions).

 

[Intelligence]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by warped9:

The additions to Kirk's quarters are to suggest his passion for exploring "strange new worlds" as well as his romanticized thirst for adventure...

I did just notice, the shadow of the statue is missing on the tallship's frame. It goes up to the "eye", but only to the rim of the canvas.

Posted by reno floyd:
I always felt that if the handrails were to be bright red they had to be red for a reason. What if they were actually supposed to flash during red alerts?

if you want to make that image perfect, then make the small prisma on the navigator pult between Bailey and Sulu flash too

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

^^ Actually I always thought the warning light at the helm/nav console indicated that the sensors and/or deflectors had detected something in the ship's flight path.

 

[LavianoTS386]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

^ I believe that's correct

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by Warped9:

Either you do not read selected previous posts or you simply cannot or refuse to understand what is being said here. Either way I don't give a damn becasue I'm not discussing this with you any longer. The differences in approach have been explained repeatedly and you still do not get it. Evidently I get it since I started this damned thread. FourMadMen and Phil Broad as well as many others who've contributed to the discussion get it and easily grasp the distinction between enhancement and revisionist "improving."

Post as many revised pics as you wish since I don't own the thread, but I will no longer be commenting on them. I will not comment further because then I'd have to be warned for flaming.

Okay, thanks!

 

[Four Mad Men]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Posted by websbestcomics:
Like I mentioned, I love your designs, I just think it's reasonable to assume that had the original designers showed the innards of the shuttle, it would have been consistant with the other NOW archaic-looking radio parts etc as seen throughout TOS. I think there is actually some of that kind of hardware shown in the Galileo 7 episode, where Scotty and Spock work on draining their phasers into the shuttlecraft engines, although I could be wrong (perhaps that was one of the scenes where some of the more convincing technology is seen (different colored boxes etc)?

I would imagine the innards of the shuttlecraft being composed of a lot of the same kind of meaningless technological junk seen throughout the Enterprise. Keep in mind that I am of a totally revisionist philosophy in regards to a TOS 'update'. I'd have no problem at all with the designs you have created as a convincing demonstration of the inner workings of the shuttle etc. I can't wait to see more of your work, actually...

Thanks. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be confrontational about the whole thing so let's just agree to disagree and then let's get back to what's important. Like posting pictures. The more the merrier.

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

My feelings exactly. It's really silly to get defensive and mean-spirited about any of this. All difference aside, it's very cool to see what fans are coming up with. I will certainly have some more images to post shortly...

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Here are 2 more examples of some visual enhancements of TOS scenes that I created for 'The Apple' and Nomad.

The Apple

Nomad

Note the Apple scene was basically expanded upon to show a much wider, letterbox view of the jungle, plus an extension of the mountain terrain and sky...Enjoy!