Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...

[Guest]

Re: Never seen refit?

Bridge Battle Scene TOS 'Special Edition'

This is a letterbox widescreen format image of an imagined TOS 'special edition' movie...Enjoy!

 

[LavianoTS386]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by Warped9:
I find the view that TOS' F/X are a "dead duck" by today's standards rather amusing in a way because many of TNG's F/X are really starting to be painfully obvious after little more than a decade and in some ways seem more cartoony than TOS could ever lay claim to.

Esp. early seasons. It took them a while to realize how cheap certain video effects were.

 

[reno floyd]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:

Bridge Battle Scene TOS 'Special Edition'

This is a letterbox widescreen format image of an imagined TOS 'special edition' movie...Enjoy!

Holy mother of yes! That's exactly the kind of thing I want to see

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:
Bridge Battle Scene TOS 'Special Edition'

This is a letterbox widescreen format image of an imagined TOS 'special edition' movie...Enjoy!

I'm sorry, but here I have to disagree because that looks so obviously revisionist.

 

[Cicero]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:

Bridge Battle Scene TOS 'Special Edition'

This is a letterbox widescreen format image of an imagined TOS 'special edition' movie...Enjoy!

Wow

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by Warped9:

I'm sorry, but here I have to disagree because that looks so obviously revisionist.

It IS revisionist, but I would argue that it doesn't in any way change anything important to what made TOS so great in the first place. All I'm doing is introducing technology that is more believable and consistant with contemporary trek and modern science fiction motifs in general.

This is intended to honor TOS more than detract from it. I really don't understand this inflexible purist attitude about TOS. Your nostalgia over hoaky devices and cardboard viewscreens is what keeps the original series in cult status...

 

[Brian]

Re: Never seen refit?

I've been watching this thread for some time. I haven't contributed because I lack the talents some of you have in abundance, but the pics are greatly appreciated, keep them coming!

Put me in the camp that would not want to see Star Trek given a special edition treatment. Imagine if you had built that bridge with your bare hands, doing the best you could with the material available to you at the time. It would be a slap in the face to have your work erased with the click of a mouse, in favor of some moving bar graph display someone took minutes to develop. Or imagine if it were your deceased father who had done all that hard work nearly 40 years ago, and his legacy was disrespected in that manner! (My opinion is, of course, tainted by the George Lucas way of doing special editions and ignoring that the original ever existed. If both versions were given a respectful presentation, then I guess it wouldn't be so bad.)

But having said that, I don't view anything in this thread as revisionist or disrespectful in any way. This thread is a loving tribute to Star Trek, with people putting their creative talents to a 'what if' scenario. Saying, "I wasn't there, but here's what I would do if I could." And I hope you all continue to give Star Trek that loving treatment, and keep on sharing the results with the rest of us!

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:

Posted by Warped9:

I'm sorry, but here I have to disagree because that looks so obviously revisionist.

It IS revisionist, but I would argue that it doesn't in any way change anything important to what made TOS so great in the first place. All I'm doing is introducing technology that is more believable and consistant with contemporary trek and modern science fiction motifs in general.

This is intended to honor TOS more than detract from it. I really don't understand this inflexible purist attitude about TOS. Your nostalgia over hoaky devices and cardboard viewscreens is what keeps the original series in cult status...

I should have said that it simply doesn't work for me. But I must also add that the insistence that the original artistic and aesthetic style doesn't work anymore is simply one's opinion. And if one doesn't see that it is disrespectful (not in the sense of doing it just for fun, mind you, but in the sense of saying that it SHOULD be done to "improve" TOS) then it is pointless trying to explain it. For me it is the same argument that applies in my absolute resistance to retconning references from contemporary Trek back into the original Star Trek. They should never happen because they were never intended to be there and could never have even been conceived when the show was being produced. I would also argue that enough change of continuity has been done in contemporary Treks that conflicts with TOS that it would be even more of a slap in the face to add retconning references.

I cannot apologize for my passionate defense of this issue. While Star Trek is indeed just a tv show it is also one of those few works of fiction that came to mean a great deal to me personally. As such I have great respect for what the original producers achieved under trying circumstances and constraints. And in no way do I feel their efforts are genuinely lacking. I could just as easily make a fair case in regards to why much of what has been done in contemporary Trek doesn't work any better than TOS and in many cases doesn't even work as well. Star Trek doesn't "fail" because it is inconsistent with contemporary Trek, but rather contemporary Trek has failed because it hasn't respected Star Trek and what it established.

If one cannot grasp that then it is a waste of breath trying to explain it.

Besides which, fans of current look Trek have more twenty years worth of eye candy to drool over. Can they not respectfully leave TOS alone?

 

[AlexR]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:

Posted by Warped9:

I'm sorry, but here I have to disagree because that looks so obviously revisionist.

It IS revisionist, but I would argue that it doesn't in any way change anything important to what made TOS so great in the first place. All I'm doing is introducing technology that is more believable and consistant with contemporary trek and modern science fiction motifs in general.

Jumping in for a sec, I like the idea, though I think what looks really jarring are all the obviously-movie-era images. OTOH, if we were talking going just a bit more subtle, using dynamic displays in the graphical style used on TOS itself, I think it'd be a lot easier to take, as it were.

Best,
Alex

 

[Guest]

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This one is a bit different. Except for the bio-scan image, everything else is taken directly from TOS era style technology. Again, I'm not out to convince TOS purists, it's just a fun photoshop exercise for me. And who knows, maybe it will give more ammunition to proponents of a TOS 'special edition'...

McCoy at work...

 

[reno floyd]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:
This one is a bit different. Except for the bio-scan image, everything else is taken directly from TOS era style technology. Again, I'm not out to convince TOS purists, it's just a fun photoshop exercise for me. And who knows, maybe it will give more ammunition to proponents of a TOS 'special edition'...



McCoy at work...

Once again, exactly my kind of changes. Having a TOS Enterprise light with TMP spotlights and a special edition would be a real cracker.

 

[Khan Noonian Singh]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:
It IS revisionist, but I would argue that it doesn't in any way change anything important to what made TOS so great in the first place. All I'm doing is introducing technology that is more believable and consistant with contemporary trek and modern science fiction motifs in general.

Trek *isn't* modern science fiction. It's science fiction from the 1960s. By trying to fit it into a modern day vision, you are altering it fundamentally.

Very nice work from a technical standpoint, but this is why I've always been opposed to Special Editions: I'm afraid they'd make Trek into something it wasn't.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes...

Evenings on alien worlds...

"The Conscience Of The King"

"Spock's Brain" (and why, oh, why couldn't they have at least given this episode a better name? )

 

[Yorktown1701]

Re: Never seen refit?

Having enjoyed Warped 9 's images for some time, I have to come down on his side in this discussion. These 'updated' images, as well done as they are, reflect a failing - to me - of modern Trek [especially Enterprise, in which the NX-01 reminds me of a contemporary submarine]: the technology shown could be in use on a current naval vessel. The display on the Sick Bay image on the wall above the exercise bed looks like one you could buy for your living room.

These images will look outdated very fast, much as the computer technology shown in TWoK and TSFS does - weren't they using then-current computer graphics? Those movies are far more dated today [as is TNG] than either TOS or TMP, which genuinely invoke a sense of a future society that reads and uses instrumentation and computers differently than we do.

One of the reasons TOS purists are very reluctant to tinker with TOS is that its producers tried to create a scientifically plausible alternate setting for human consciousness within their capabilities- not merely recreate our own, which is what contemporary Trek's producers seem most comfortable doing. I prefer the more imaginative approach, which reflects true science fiction to me - but to each their own.

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen refit?

Here's a revised Enterprise conference room, with a view of the K-7 space station. Something interesting about the original image. I noticed that the reflection on the tables showed the blank screen of the monitor, so I fixed that (note Uhura's reflection on the table top). Surely that would have been corrected by the original special effects people had they the time and resources...

Conference Room with window

 

[Brian]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:
Here's a revised Enterprise conference room, with a view of the K-7 space station. Something interesting about the original image. I noticed that the reflection on the tables showed the blank screen of the monitor, so I fixed that (note Uhura's reflection on the table top). Surely that would have been corrected by the original special effects people had they the time and resources...

Conference Room with window

Here's your image:

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen refit?

This is a bridge screen shot of a modified Klingon, as well as a few technical additions to the bridge itself...

Bridge Klingon viewscreen

 

[Brian]

Re: Never seen refit?

Posted by websbestcomics:
This is a bridge screen shot of a modified Klingon, as well as a few technical additions to the bridge itself...

Bridge Klingon viewscreen

Helping hand...

 

[Guest]

Re: Never seen refit?

By the way, thanks Brian and everyone else who has hosted and reposted my images here for everyone to see...

 

[Brian]

Re: Never seen refit?

You're welcome.

You do good work. I love the "what ifs".