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Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...

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Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

My reasoning has been very much inspired by two things: the Enterprise's readily evident mission profile of 5-years deepspace exploration and much of what is written in The Making Of Star Trek. The idea being that if they'd been able to I'm sure the original producers would have made the effort to show more diversity in ship's sets to reinforce the idea that the crew's psychological wellbeing is paramount if you're going to enclose them in a can for extended periods. This rational is what supports the concept of oversized rooms and reasonably high ceilings and diversity of colour. It also supports the concepts of Earth nature sounds being piped subliminally throughout the ship. And yet most fundamentally above all that this is a starship as opposed to a strictly military vessel where crews would be on rotation for missions of limited duration. If the technology and science make it possible then they will do whatever they can to make the ship feel more comfortable and more like a home and much less like a sterile instrument. There's nothing new in this, we do it today albeit on perhaps a more limited scale because most of us can just go outside. But a starship crew, possibly akin to a contemporary naval submarine crew, may not see firm ground and an open sky for months on end if that.

This is one aspect where I feel they started to really drop the ball in the films and even with TMP to some extent. And conversely this is one of those very rare things they started to get back to in TNG. The interiors sets of the Enterprise on TOS looked spare, at times painfully so, because they lacked the time and resource to do otherwise as supported by the indirect evidence onscreen and in print.

The colour choices I played with in my example may have been off in shade or tone, but I think they illustrated a valid concept, one that I got right from the makers of the show itself and simply elaborated upon. And over the years there has been a fair amount of study involving the psychology of colour and surroundings and their effects on human psychological and physical wellbeing. TOS tried to address that laudable idea in the limited manner they were able yet I'm convinced that if they could have they would have done more to reinforce it.

Also note that in many TOS shots you clearly see the use of coloured lighting as opposed to strictly white light. We've also seen the use of subdued and lowered lighting. And finally I ecall a few shots where the floor was definitely not just gray but rather shades of green or red.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Those high ceilings were a little hard to believe, and it would have been nice if some more variety of colour could have been employed to depict different decks and using colour to make the ship somewhat less sterile for voyages of extended duration. Decks would have been padded and/or carpeted to be easier on the legs and coloured differently on different decks: varied shades of green and earth tones to evoke unconcious evolutionary memory of walking on Earth. Similarly the ceilings could have been softly lit and ceiling colour could have been done in shades of blue to stimulate the idea of open sky overhead. We know the ship supposedly had day and night cycles where the lighting levels would vary, although perhaps less so in vital operational areas such as the bridge and engineering for example. And those more functional areas could also have the more familiar red (or yellow or green) structural members overhead.
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Superb renderings.

Hindsight is indeed, 20/20.

If you have ever seen the 1971 film "The Andromeda Strain", based on Michael Chrichton's novel, (directed by Robert Wise!) there is the following:

YOU ARE NOW ENTERING LEVEL I

PROCEED TO IMMUNIZATION CONTROL


Hall noticed that all the walls were red. He mentioned this to Leavitt.

"Yes," Leavitt said. "All levels are painted a different color. Level I is red; II, yellow; III, white; IV, green; and V, blue."

"Any particular reason for the choice?"

"It seems," Leavitt said, "that the Navy sponsored some studies a few years back on the psychological effects of colored environments. Those studies have been applied here."


Useless info, but what the heck.


Ronaldo
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Classic Fan:
Not too keen on the earth colours there, Warped, their ok, but id rather see them on the Rec Deck locations as it conveys earth. For every day ship operations, id just keep the carpeted floors different colours, not to 'in your face' though.

Perhaps "earth" colours should be clarified. Take a walk through nature and you'll see that such "earth" colours are not restricted to shades of brown and beige and green. There is sand, shades of blue and of course a riot of colour when it comes to flowers. Ever notice how many of those equipment or machinery thingies mounted on the walls throughout the ship are often painted bright colours as opposed to being simply gray to match the background walls? I know I'm extrapolating or rationalizing here but such a practice does break up the visual monotony. And often enough in some images the walls look more eggshell blue than gray. My essential point is that even within the production limits imposed on them the producers made much use of colour already. I know it was to promote the sales of colour televisions, but it also can be rationalized as a valid ship's environmental concept.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
This is essentially a throwaway shot to get a sense of what it could have looked like. My verdict is that while this particular effort is a little crude, quick and dirty I rather like the concept. TOS should have had a version of "The Cage" field jackets. They could have had a little more detail and more shaped tailoring and should have made them more a royal blue than grey. IMO I think they would have looked rather sharp.
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kirk from his days aboard the nx-01 ;)
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Har, har. Call me thin skinned if you will, but thats not even remotely funny. I will never accept that abomination of a show and it will never have anything to do with any creative work of mine in regards to Star Trek.

But as a concession here's something to show that the planet killer was at least good for something...
ENT-finale.jpg
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
But as a concession here's something to show that the planet killer was at least good for something...
ENT-finale.jpg

Ahh!

From the sequel to "The Doomsday Machine", in which a second Machine is found that's too resistant to an impulse reactor explosion, so they end up using an old NX-class training ship, with its M/ARA, to do the job.

Well, hey, why not? :D

Best,
Alex
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Actually I envision it more as an appropriate series finale. Initially it was supposed to happen this season, but it's been held back until next season...hopefully.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Your constant sneering about ENT diminishes my enjoyment of your fine work. :confused: :(
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Had they had the budget, we might have seen the "shield" effect during the series. Here are the shields being tested in BOT:
shields.jpg
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Number6:
Your constant sneering about ENT diminishes my enjoyment of your fine work. :confused: :(

That isn't my problem, sir. And it's my perogative to ignore something that I see no value in. Someone made a remark in my thread I didn't care for and I'm entitled to remark on it. If you are dissuaded from enjoying something because my opinion isn't in accordnce with yours on another given unrelated issue then that is no concern of mine for there are many others who can still enjoy the work here.

And if someone finds my opinion and when I choose to express it tiresome then they are free to ignore it, just as I am free to ignore opinions I don't agree with as well as praise for something I see little to no value in whatsoever.

If someone wishes to sully Star Trek with retconned references of another show that has zero bearing on what came before then they are completely free to start their own thread on the subject and do it there.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
^^ Har, har. Call me thin skinned if you will, but thats not even remotely funny. I will never accept that abomination of a show and it will never have anything to do with any creative work of mine in regards to Star Trek.

But as a concession here's something to show that the planet killer was at least good for something...
ENT-finale.jpg

I was referring to this post. It's really too bad that you feel the way you do. Your posts and artwork are so thoughtfully done. I would think that you would be less prejudiced with regards to the new show. It would be interesting to see how your fine work would fit into that era. Obviously you could care less about my opinion and that's a shame because I dig your photos. There are some fine sendups to the Franz Joseph concepts as well. It is a shame that someone that passionate about a TV show needs to show so much hatred to one person who happens to like the new shows in addition to the old show. Whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Posted by Classic Fan:
Not too keen on the earth colours there, Warped, their ok, but id rather see them on the Rec Deck locations as it conveys earth. For every day ship operations, id just keep the carpeted floors different colours, not to 'in your face' though.

Perhaps "earth" colours should be clarified. Take a walk through nature and you'll see that such "earth" colours are not restricted to shades of brown and beige and green. There is sand, shades of blue and of course a riot of colour when it comes to flowers. Ever notice how many of those equipment or machinery thingies mounted on the walls throughout the ship are often painted bright colours as opposed to being simply gray to match the background walls? I know I'm extrapolating or rationalizing here but such a practice does break up the visual monotony. And often enough in some images the walls look more eggshell blue than gray. My essential point is that even within the production limits imposed on them the producers made much use of colour already. I know it was to promote the sales of colour televisions, but it also can be rationalized as a valid ship's environmental concept.
Ok, upon further inspection, i agree.
I think i was tired when i posted that objection.
Im in full agreement, i also backtracked my making of TOS material for my own benefit as i considered myself unfit to criticise last night. :lol:


Posted by Warped9:
^^ Har, har. Call me thin skinned if you will, but thats not even remotely funny. I will never accept that abomination of a show and it will never have anything to do with any creative work of mine in regards to Star Trek.

But as a concession here's something to show that the planet killer was at least good for something...
ENT-finale.jpg
Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa

Im lovin' it.

Enterprise has no home to us, and this is the treatment it gets in a TOS thread.

Rock On. :p
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^You know I am a TOS fan, too. A lifelong fan. I also happen to like ENT. This attitude is an affront to my devotion to the same fandom as yours. :mad:
This is what I feel undermines the whole meaning of Star Trek!!
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Number6, it isn't that I care nothing for your opinion. Indeed I've found a number of your posts interesting and I've even agreed with some of them. But I mean that my work, whether it be visual or written, will not and cannot be influenced by "popular opinion" or whatever is the given trend of the moment. I have seen visual value in ENT from a purely technical standpoint. But as I have elaborated more thoroughly elsewhere (and I don't wish to get into it again here) I find no substantive value in it. I find it meaningless and without style, substance or soul. More fundamentally it has no artistic merit as far as storytelling is concerned, particularly in its ideas, concepts and execution. Hence, I see no value in investing creative effort in connection to something I see no real value in.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Number6, it isn't that I care nothing for your opinion. Indeed I've found a number of your posts interesting and I've even agreed with some of them. But I mean that my work, whether it be visual or written, will not and cannot be influenced by "popular opinion" or whatever is the given trend of the moment. I have seen visual value in ENT from a purely technical standpoint. But as I have elaborated more thoroughly elsewhere (and I don't wish to get into it again here) I find no substantive value in it. I find it meaningless and without style, substance or soul. More fundamentally it has no artistic merit as far as storytelling is concerned, particularly in its ideas, concepts and execution. Hence, I see no value in investing creative effort in connection to something I see no real value in.
He said it, i cant say anymore, youve just said it all.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Then I shall reiterate...

^^You know I am a TOS fan, too. A lifelong fan. I also happen to like ENT. This attitude is an affront to my devotion to the same fandom as yours. :mad:
This is what I feel undermines the whole meaning of Star Trek!!

I have nothing against someone who doesn't like what I like, but the petty comments are beneath both of you.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Number6:
Then I shall reiterate...

^^You know I am a TOS fan, too. A lifelong fan. I also happen to like ENT. This attitude is an affront to my devotion to the same fandom as yours. :mad:
This is what I feel undermines the whole meaning of Star Trek!!

I have nothing against someone who doesn't like what I like, but the petty comments are beneath both of you.
Forget it, big deal. Dont agree, dont continue the argument.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Classic Fan:
Posted by Warped9:
Number6, it isn't that I care nothing for your opinion. Indeed I've found a number of your posts interesting and I've even agreed with some of them. But I mean that my work, whether it be visual or written, will not and cannot be influenced by "popular opinion" or whatever is the given trend of the moment. I have seen visual value in ENT from a purely technical standpoint. But as I have elaborated more thoroughly elsewhere (and I don't wish to get into it again here) I find no substantive value in it. I find it meaningless and without style, substance or soul. More fundamentally it has no artistic merit as far as storytelling is concerned, particularly in its ideas, concepts and execution. Hence, I see no value in investing creative effort in connection to something I see no real value in.
He said it, i cant say anymore, youve just said it all.

Sorry Number6, this sentiment is seconded and "thirded" (is that English?).

Enterprise is just not up to par - better than Voyager, but that's not saying all that much... Nothing personal.
 
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Then I guess not all TOS fans are allowed here. Pity
 
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