Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...

[The.Kaalar!]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
^^ If Kirk had been losing that much blood I doubt he'd still be standing in Vulcan's thin atmosphere.

Here's an early diplomatic call to a Federation world...

I always felt that the gray jackets could've been used similar to the red jackets used in the Movie era (Star Trek II through VI).
If they did a bit more detail and design on the jacket, the color tunic would be worn underneath the formal uniform grays.
It would almost be consistant to the way DS9 did the gray jacket coverning the colored tunic.

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
^^ Decent job, but the shade is wrong considering that we saw blue uniforms both in WNMHGB and "The Cage."

I agree, its too bright for the uniform look of the period.

I tried to get the same shade of that of the support beams.

Im still trying different shades at the moment.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Here's my attempt...

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Here's my attempt...

These look pretty good, but the shade of blue is still off. There's the slightest hint of grey in there.

I'd like to see a Kirk/Spock/McCoy shot at the captain's chair circa WNMHGB, sort of like the cover art to Vonda McIntyre's Enterprise.

What program do you guys use to manipulate photos? I confess to complete ignorance in all of these matters, but I do like to look.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

** Well it's a tough match. Actually here I had Lt. Alden's blue shirt as a guide to match for changing Spock's shirt before I changed Alden's. I'm using Photoshop 7 on an iMac G3 and a good dose of patience as well as trial-and-error.

Someone in the TOS forum made an observation that I'm flattered by--that whatever touches I try to add I do strive to maintain a genuine TOS look and feel to the final result. Otherwise It would just not look seamless and reasonably authentic.

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
** Well it's a tough match. Actually here I had Lt. Alden's blue shirt as a guide to match for changing Spock's shirt before I changed Alden's. I'm using Photoshop 7 on an iMac G3 and a good dose of patience as well as trial-and-error.

Someone in the TOS forum made an observation that I'm flattered by--that whatever touches I try to add I do strive to maintain a genuine TOS look and feel to the final result. Otherwise It would just not look seamless and reasonably authentic.

Maybe the tunics changed color slightly between "The Cage" and "WNMHGB"--in the photo of Nimoy above, the tunic is a different shade. Still, this looks fantastic, and I second the comment in the TOS forum. I wonder if it would be possible to create a short photonovel, similar to the TAS comic. It would probably take forever, and it would definitely be a labor of love, but it would be fun to see a new TOS story.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ That's an interesting thought. Eventually I'll get around to doing my own dvd vidcaps and then I just might make the effort. In the meantime I'm planning a calendar hopefully to be ready for the Toronto trek convention that will feature some of these renders.

Here a slight reimagining from "The Ultimate Computer." Commodore Wesley's wargames attack squardron peels off to engage the Enterprise. The Lexington is in the foreground on point with the Excalibur on the left. The starships Hood and Potemkin are bringing up the rear in the background.

I tried a little something here. I always wondered how Starfleet managed to get four heavy cruisers together for such an exercise when supposedly there are only twelve operational. A simple wargames exercise seems rather frivolous for such highly and rare operational units. My reasoing here was that Starfleet only assigned one Constitution-class cruiser similar to the Enterprise, that being the Excalibur, and that the other three are older heavy cruisers of somewhat different configuration.

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by The.Kaalar!:

Posted by Warped9:
^^ If Kirk had been losing that much blood I doubt he'd still be standing in Vulcan's thin atmosphere.

Here's an early diplomatic call to a Federation world...

I always felt that the gray jackets could've been used similar to the red jackets used in the Movie era (Star Trek II through VI).
If they did a bit more detail and design on the jacket, the color tunic would be worn underneath the formal uniform grays.
It would almost be consistant to the way DS9 did the gray jacket coverning the colored tunic.

They'd need to be retailored a bit. They fit like an outer coat--sort of "bunchy."

That said, it would be interesting to see some alterations done to these jackets--add an insignia, to begin with. What else could make them look a bit more formal?

 

[Super Grover]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Here's a couple of my photoshop contributions that I posted in the TOS forum about hypothetical episodes.

A Mirror Kirk Assissinating Pike to take command of the ISS Enterprise.

And a story I read in an Early Voyages comic had Yeoman Colt thrown forward in time causing a change in the timeline where Kirk quit Starfleet after not seeing eye to eye with Pike and going into private business for himself and Pike still in command of the Enterprise in the TUC era.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

I love this thread, though some TNG pics would be nice.

 

[Super Grover]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

But the thread is called Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

I have insomnia and I want more pretty pictures to look at while I ponder my inability to fall asleep.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Tharpdevenport:
I love this thread, though some TNG pics would be nice.

Well there's no reason someone couldn't start a similar thread regarding TNG, but yes this one was always intended as never seen TOS scenes based on the idea of what if the original producers had had a little more time, money and resources at hand to do some things and add some touches that they'd like to have done but couldn't. It's also based on the idea that none of the other shows have happened yet and therefore there is no retconning by adding things that have no place there. Certainly you will never see any bloody ENT retconning in any of my images. Well...maybe one, that of the robot planet killer devouring the NX-01. I also recall a DC Comics VOY title that had an image of their ship encountering another planet killer. It had a very inspiring image of the Voyager going down the machine's throat. *Sigh*

I do recall a scene from the TNG novel Vendetta that had the 1701D battling another larger planet killer but this one piloted by an intelligence hellbent on revenge against the Borg. That could be photomanipulated, but I'd rather not do it here and thus tempt others to hijack the thread.

More on topic, one shot I'd like to see is from "Courtmartial." We hear Kirk's log reporting that they've diverted to Starbase 11 for immediate repairs after encountering a severe ion storm. It would have been cool to have seen a quick sshot of the Enterprise in some manner of dry-dock or maintenance berth affixed to some orbital facility, possibly with some other types of starships berthed there as well. I feel that this is really far more involved than just a little photo manipulation, but it would still be awesome to see particularly if care was taken to keep it looking authentic as possible.

 

[biotech]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

With appologies to Warped9 for nicking his image, I always thought the jackets in the cage werent that much different from the movie jackets, and wondered if that was intentional.

Either way, here you go.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Hmm. Interesting, although a little bright. I myself tried to make the jackets rather more darker blue than gray. Although I like the "The Cage" jackets I would rather they had had some form of collar (to keep cold wind off the neck). Something more along what we saw in TWoK. "The Cage" jackets also look of an odd heavy woven material or at least look that way.

Speaking of colour in some odd pictures you can see the actual original colour of the TOS command shirts which was green rather than gold. Some weird colour freakout with the film stock and lighting made that particular shade of green look more gold onscreen. And subsequently we not only always accepted it as gold but digitally remastered episodes and pictures have actually made the shirts more definitely gold. The only exception is Kirk's TOS dress uniform which remained distintively green possibly due to being made of a different materiel, I've tweaked some images to make the command shirts and the shirts from "The Cage" and "WNMHGN" as green--it looks kinda neat but also odd, probably because we're so accustomed to the gold colour. But to the actors and production crew back in the days they were definitely green as I understand it.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Here I've tweaked Pike's shirt to more like its original green colour and I've added a little detail to the jackets.

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Here I've tweaked Pike's shirt to more like its original green colour and I've added a little detail to the jackets.

Is there any way to make them look less bunchy? If they are supposed to be dress uniforms, they would have a more tailored look to them--more like a suit coat, less like an overcoat. Part of the problem is probably that the mock turtlenecks underneath add to the bulk. If these were dress coats, they'd probably have a thinner undershirt, like in the films.

I would also go for a sort of dark blue/charcoal gray color, as it is close to the original but would look dressier. The somewhat sparkly fabric used, while certainly a 60s notion of the future, does strike me as a bit silly at times.

"The Cage" jackets also look like they were oddly fashioned--there are a lot of seams on those things, which I think also adds to their bulkiness.

When this semester is over, I'll try and draw up something and post it. Not much with the computer, but I can draw by hand.

Oh--and I'd put the insignia higher on the chest, like the TWOK-TUC jackets. I wonder if we might also think about making the rank system a bit more accurate, rather than the one stripe for officers, non for non-coms method. Certainly, "The Cage" is unique in all Trek in its lack of a clear ranking system.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Well you have to remember that the intent was rather evident that these were landing party field jackets as opposed to dress uniform jackets. And candidly while I generally liked the field jackets in TWoK I loathed the regular uniforms used in TWoK-TUC. Still, yes, "The Cage" jackets do look "bunchy" likely due to the material used then. Never mind the future, but today we have lighter materials that can keep someone very warm, but I guess either they didn't envision that or they just didn't have the material at hand to get the effect they wanted.

There's a limit to how much more effort I was willing to put into this pic. Every time I tweak it I have to give the image a new file name to post it or the preceeding copies of the image will change too. At some point I'll make an effort to put field jackets on the TOS characters to get a feel of what that could have looked like.

 

[Masao]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

How about the hats?
Ok, bad idea. How about the patch from the hats on the jacket somewhere?

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Stranded on a inhospitable world and isolated from the Enterprise Pike comes across a mysterious alien ship...

A tip-of-the-hat to a '50s science fiction classic, Forbidden Planet.