Cool. That's the only movie I don't own but should be picking it up soon.
We never saw many civilian Romulans, they may have more diverse haircuts in different strata of society.
Nero's wife???
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Cool. That's the only movie I don't own but should be picking it up soon.
We never saw many civilian Romulans, they may have more diverse haircuts in different strata of society.
You got a better explanation as to why a mere mining vessel would be that massive and have weapons capable of taking out entire fleets of starships?
Well, obviously the "simple mining vessel" was upgraded. That's not in dispute. But there is no reason to believe it was upgraded with Borg technology.
Maybe Nero found some black market arms dealer and had him pimp Narada into an octopus?
FWIW, in the ST V novelization, Dar has human ancestry as well as Romulan, which would explain her hair *and* her first name...
You got a better explanation as to why a mere mining vessel would be that massive and have weapons capable of taking out entire fleets of starships?
Well, obviously the "simple mining vessel" was upgraded. That's not in dispute. But there is no reason to believe it was upgraded with Borg technology.
Perhaps, but you gotta admit, what else would be that powerful? This is technology that plowed through Federation, Klingon, and possibly also Romulan ships like they were tinfoil. And who else did that but the Borg?
The only overt evidence against this would be:
In the Destiny trilogy, which takes place before Nero's "home" time frame, the Borg are permanently wiped out. Starships all gone, all drones freed, all Borg implants turned to dust (literally). So there can be no Borg tech left for the Narada to appropriate.
I thought we were supposed to take from the context of the movie that Narada is so strong because its from THE FUTURE and umm, a mining vessel intended to crack large chunks of space rock apart and process it.
Nero to Pike: "In the future, where I'm from this is a simple mining vessel." my friend a fellow Trekker who also happened to hate the movie (but then he hates most movies so that's not saying alot) actually like that aspect. A simple mining ship, not a battlecrusier from the future was powerful compared to the "state of the art" from its (alternate) past.
Sharr
Nero to Pike: "In the future, where I'm from this is a simple mining vessel." my friend a fellow Trekker who also happened to hate the movie (but then he hates most movies so that's not saying alot) actually like that aspect. A simple mining ship, not a battlecrusier from the future was powerful compared to the "state of the art" from its (alternate) past.
Sharr
It's not from THAT far in the future. Nero's home time is the year 2387, which isn't that much further than TNG/DS9/Voyager/etc. We've seen what ships are like (Romulan or otherwise) at that point, and they're not near-unstoppable like the Narada was.
*cough*Scimitar*cough*
The Scimitar wasn't anywhere near as powerful as the Narada. Two Romulan warbirds and the Enterprise were able to destroy it. If those same ships had gone up against Nero, he would have destroyed *them*.
It was Troi's link to the Reman and the subsequent Quantum torpedo barrage that even made her visible. It took the Enterprise ramming the hell out of its entire bow to even stop the thing moving, if those two moves had failed, the Scimitar would have shredded all three ships with ease.
I suppose you're right. But the fact remains, the Scimitar was a full-out military vessel. It was entirely proper that it should have advanced shields and weaponry. But what would a MINING vessel need with that? If Nero had said that he *stole* the Narada from the Romulan fleet, then I could buy the reason that it was so powerful. But there's no need - that I can see - for a mere mining vessel to have the raw power that the Narada had.
The Narada was built to be a self sustaining mining operation in space, even more than an oil rig, she had to carry a large number of cargo shuttles and enough asteroid shattering armament to last some time away from core Romulan space. And those rockets, were meant to blow large asteroids apart to get at mineral rich veins deeper down, using them on a starship is overkill.
Thing is, since we did not see Narada up against 24th century ships in the movie, we have no idea how it would stand up against them. Presumably Nero's upgrades would have given Narada the tactical advantage over them, but we have no idea if he could tear them apart as easily as he did the 23rd century ships.
It should be obvious that Nero would have had to upgrade Narada. Remember, it was not his intention to go back in time, that happened accidentally. Therefore, if he intended to attack the 24th century Federation, he'd need something a hell of a lot more impressive than a "simple mining vessel" to get past the 24th century Starfleet. Therefore he'd have to upgrade.
Because Romulans never have human sounding names.
But now you're assume he would need to get past 24th Century Starfleet, nothing in the move implies this (that is only an aspect of Countdown), just he was in pursuit of Spock after he realized his planet had been killed.
Yes. Its also why it would need really good shields, I'm sure Romulans had some version of OSHA to worry about... they're not Klingons.
Sharr
As I understand things, the Narada was one of the first Romulan attempts to reverse-engineer Borg technology. The Narada looks like a squid instead of a sphere because the Romulans didn't quite get programming the nanoprobes right. The Romulans used an expendable mining ship as a test bed for the process because they weren't really sure what the result would be and were therefore unwilling to risk it with a warship...
Star Trek Nemesis happened in 2379, so that part is correct. However, 2387 is 129 years ahead of 2258, which is quite a bit of time. (See the Star Trek Enterprise two-part episode In A Mirror Darkly. The Defiant was brought from the year 2269 in the original timeline to the year 2155 in the mirror universe timeline. That 114 year gap was enough to allow the Defiant to beat the living hell out of anything it encountered, regardless of how many adversaries there were. The only thing that gave ANYONE a chance against the Defiant was when Mirror-Phlox was convinced to sabotage the Defiant from within...)
About that Romulan tattoo's thing...
Aren't these two guys supposed to be 24th century Romulans?
I don't see any tatt's on their faces... They even have hair!
They're meant to be Vulcans. On Vulcan. Preparing the Jellyfish.
(and why didn't they just get Tim Russ in instead of a lookalike?)
(also aplogies to Wormhole and M'Sharak if offence was casued earlier. The end of my post was meant more lightly than it seems looking back)
No, I don't think they are (at least not the black guy). I don't know if you've noticed, but Vulcan and Romulan ears don't exactly look the same in ST XI.
Here's what I mean:
Notice the lines which make Romulan ears appear almost wing-like... Vulcans don't have them in the movie, but the black guy from the pic above does (or so it seems).
If someone could find a 1080p screencap, we'd have a better view...
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