Nero is dumb/How does "revenge" save Romulus? [Spoilers]

[dillon3001]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

It seems like after Romulus was destroyed, Nero's hellbent on making those he believes responsible pay in either case

 

[Islander]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Yes, he could have save Romulus instead of trying to destroy the Federation. But then again, he is the movie's villain. That's just what they do...

 

[Phily B]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Time travel doesn't work like that in Star Trek. If he destroyed the star, then he would never have gone back in time in the first place and so the star would be back cause he never went back in the first place due to destroying it in the past. See the trouble?

Time Travel in Trek doesn't work that way, you should know that. The timeline has already changed.

Time travel doesn't work like you said, he can't just kill the star then go back to his wife. His wife would always be dead, he'd rather just get revenge on the Federation/Vulcan. He did kill the Romulus High Command in the comic didn't he?

 

[cubbie]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Yes, he is one of dumbest Romulans that have ever existed.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Time travel doesn't work like that in Star Trek. If he destroyed the star, then he would never have gone back in time in the first place and so the star would be back cause he never went back in the first place due to destroying it in the past. See the trouble?

Time Travel in Trek doesn't work that way, you should know that. The timeline has already changed.

Time travel doesn't work like you said, he can't just kill the star then go back to his wife. His wife would always be dead, he'd rather just get revenge on the Federation/Vulcan. He did kill the Romulus High Command in the comic didn't he?

Yes he'll never see them again, at least not unless he tries to time travel again or lives long enough but by destroying the Hobus star in the past he's ensuring that they never die, at least not in the new universe..

 

[Peter the Younger]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

First, emotionally disturbed people do things that rational people might perceive as being irrational, but that doesn't make them "stupid." We might as well ask why the Unibomber didn't go on a speaking tour or write some articles warning about the dangers of technology. In short: it's because he's fucking nuts.

Second, if you noticed, Pike asks him this very thing. Romulus is still around, nothing is gone, it's not too late. Nero (aftrer screaming about his dead wife) tells Pike that "it isn't enough", that he is going to wipe out all the enemies of Romulus. He can't blame the star, but he needs somebody to blame, so he blames "the enemies of Romulus." First and foremost among them being Spock.

Sure, he probably should have taken care of the Hoban star before taking his revenge on Spock. But then again, maybe that would have tipped off the Alpha Quadrant that this nutball was running around making black holes, so he could have had his (crazy) reasons.

 

[Seska]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

First, emotionally disturbed people do things that rational people might perceive as being irrational, but that doesn't make them "stupid."

For real.

"The murderer is dangerously insane. He is..." Nero.

"[H]e's dangerously insane. We've seen the evidence."

Love,
Janice Lester

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

I don't know if it's already been mentioned but I havn't seen it.

Anyway, Nero is pissed Romulus is destroyed correct? he's so pissed at this that he's willing to wipe out Vulcan and make Spock watch correct?

Erm hello Nero, you are hundreds of years in the past, you have an advanced space craft and have with you the Red Matter capable of creating a blackhole so why on Earth are you not going to the star that destroyed Romulus in the future and in this era sucking it into a blackhole? thus saving Romulus?

Romulus will be saved and therefore you no longer have anything to be pissed about.

So does he do the obvious and suck the Romulus destroying star into a blackhole? nope, he goes and destroys Vulcan. Wow such a smart clever Romulan.

That's my take on it as well. And let's not forget...anger and vengeance can make normally rational and smart people do ridiculous and illogical things. Nero doesn't have to make sense in order to understand his rage.

 

[firehawk12]

How does "revenge" save Romulus?

I'm sure this has been talked to death already, but I just came back from watching it again and I was wondering... if Nero wanted to save Romulus, how does destroying Vulcan/Earth/The Federation prevent a sun from going supernova?

I mean, unless they move the planet or something, it's going to still be destroyed in 150 years... Federation or no Federation.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

I think he blamed the Federation for acting too slowly. Plus, he was crazy.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

The only thing he was interested in was vengeance.

 

[Kelthaz]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

If Nero wipes out the Federation and the Klingons the Romulans become the sole superpower in the Alpha quadrant; Nero wipes out the Romulan Empire's strongest enemies. After that he informs Romulus about the supernova and various other future threats (The Borg, Q, etc.)

 

[The Lensman]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

"Revenge" won't save Romulus. The Red Matter that he has in his possession, a century before the star goes nova, will. He says, when with Pike, something like "Saving Romulus isn't the only thing...destroying Earth and the Federation is too." Can't recall the exact words, but I saw it again tonight. So.....we don't really know if, while waiting for Spock, he went and used a drop of the stuff on the star that would be a threat a century or so in the future. I don't really recall them stating that Romulus's star went nova, just *a* star. Even still, if it was, he could've given the Romulan govt. a little bit of Red Matter to use when the time came.

And since he can't get back to the life he once knew, being in a new and altered timeline, he want's Spock to suffer like he has.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

Revenge cures everything.

Ahhhh...sweet revenge.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

The only thing he was interested in was vengeance.

Not quite. When he was with Pike he said something like "In addition to saving Romulus, I'm going to destroy the Federation." He had plenty of time to do both. In fact, we don't know if, while waiting for Spock, he went to the star that was going to go nova and use the red matter on it.

He didn't need the Federation of this timeline since he already had the means to prevent Romulus's destruction.

Yep. Plus he was nucking futs.

I'm beginning to think the Pike-Nero scene must have occurred at the universal "I'm going to the restroom" point.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Just seems rather a silly thing to miss doing especially for someone who's had 25 years to chill a bit and take in everything that's happened.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

The only thing he was interested in was vengeance.

Not quite. When he was with Pike he said something like "In addition to saving Romulus, I'm going to destroy the Federation." He had plenty of time to do both. In fact, we don't know if, while waiting for Spock, he went to the star that was going to go nova and use the red matter on it.

He didn't need the Federation of this timeline since he already had the means to prevent Romulus's destruction.

Whoops, my bad. I guess I misremembered that part.

Darn, now I have to go see the movie again.

 

[Phily B]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Time Travel in Trek doesn't work that way, you should know that. The timeline has already changed.

Time travel doesn't work like you said, he can't just kill the star then go back to his wife. His wife would always be dead, he'd rather just get revenge on the Federation/Vulcan. He did kill the Romulus High Command in the comic didn't he?

Yes he'll never see them again, at least not unless he tries to time travel again or lives long enough but by destroying the Hobus star in the past he's ensuring that they never die, at least not in the new universe..

He won't see them again regardless, and Romulus will die again. Destroying the star wouldn't make any kind of difference as far as he is concerned. Again, if he destroyed the star in the past, it wouldn't be a problem in the future and therefore Nero would never have time traveled.

 

[Phily B]

Re: Is Nero The Stupidest Romulan Ever?

Just seems rather a silly thing to miss doing especially for someone who's had 25 years to chill a bit and take in everything that's happened.

so they add a line in the film that he destroy the hobus star

is the film better for that?!

 

[Mr. B]

Re: How does "revenge" save Romulus?

Insanity = Instant Plot Hole Defense