I think it's popular for people to say they're fans and say they hate things right now... 
Nemesis
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^ Can we get back on topic?? 
I wish I could say that I fell to peer pressure on NEM, but I didn't. I went and saw it the first day and then a couple of days later just to give it a second try. It was worse. The characters were written poorly for the most part. The relationships lacked a familiarity and closeness that they once had. The writer and director took what might have been a good concept and did a poor job with it. Even the cast pans this stinker. I wanted so badly to like this movie and I wanted it to be successful so that we'd see more TNG films but it tanked. I never felt real tension or real passion in this movie, though I blame the writer for this, not the actors. They are obviously capable of playing their roles wonderfully.
Riker and the Titan are still a great concept and I'd go see it in a heartbeat, although I still believe TNG and its siblings DS9 and VOY should stay on TV. The miniseries format is the way to go.
Riker and the Titan are still a great concept and I'd go see it in a heartbeat, although I still believe TNG and its siblings DS9 and VOY should stay on TV. The miniseries format is the way to go.
Seeing Picard and Shinzon battle it outwas gripping stuff IMO, also the part where Data knows he's the only saviour and chooses to sacrifice himself for his Captain is a touching IMO. I Do agree they could have done a bit more with the start of the movie, with the wedding etc. To only see Wesley's face and not have him say one line was a bad move. Although as a whole i felt this movie was a DARN sight better than Insurrection, the Joystick killed that movie, how cheesey lol. But on the whole i think it's alot better than people give it credit.
It's an awful movie.
The appearance of the Remans just made me laugh. They may as well have had "BAD GUYS" tattoed on their foreheads. Shinzon was a crap villain who's leather outfit squeaked every time he moved. He looked like Pinhead, sans pins, and that stupid Reman vessel was a total fanwank. The Romulan Star Empire which survived the Dominion apparently was overthrown by a bald guy with bad teeth wearing the Milky Way's most camp costume.
The appearance of the Remans just made me laugh. They may as well have had "BAD GUYS" tattoed on their foreheads. Shinzon was a crap villain who's leather outfit squeaked every time he moved. He looked like Pinhead, sans pins, and that stupid Reman vessel was a total fanwank. The Romulan Star Empire which survived the Dominion apparently was overthrown by a bald guy with bad teeth wearing the Milky Way's most camp costume.
Shinzon looked like Pinhead? I didn't see it, myself.
The Remans, though... too weird.
The Remans, though... too weird.
I think it's the worst Star Trek movie ever, but I agree on everything else you've said!
I'd LOVE to see how the 24th century evolves, and what happens to the characters we got to know in TNG/DS9/VOY.
The first time I Watched this movie I thought it was terible. I HATED IT. then I watched it a second time and noticed that I did not remember any of it. I hated something that I did not remember Watching. The Second time I wanted it I LOVED it, And even though it is probly closer the bottom of my ST:TNG movies I to this day enjoy it ever time. Although some of the things that happen upset me greatly because it pretty much wraps up TNG altogether. I really do Like this movie. (Wish they would make a new TNG movie. But I think it's just false hope)
I think it's better than Insurrection and not quite as good as Generations. But it's nowhere near as good as First Contact is.
that is excatly how I feel about it.
Oh right... thanks for that...
Pretty much whole heartly agree with that, and, yeah it's defiantly false hopes. Just wish they'd focus on the 24th rather than going back... Never mind
I liked Nemesis and I don't feel it deserves the rep it gets.
And as much as I would like to see a final TNG movie (ie. an intended final TNG movie), I don't think that'll happen as Nemesis really didn't do as well as the studio would like.
Also, DS9 and VGR wouldn't make a good movie franchise. For one, neither show was as popular as TOS nor TNG.
And, if that wasn't enough:
In DS9's case, there would be waaay too much backstory for the average movie goer to absorb.
And with Voyager, there would a lot of backstory to know as well and Voyager's "thing" was being lost in space. They got home at the end of the series. Having them come back together w/o the setting of the Delta Quadrant, I feel, would lose it's uniqueness. It would be nothing more than a TNG adventure with new people (and before people say that Voyager was just TNG-lite, at least they had the whole "lost in space" aspect that set it apart from TNG).
But, what do I know?
And as much as I would like to see a final TNG movie (ie. an intended final TNG movie), I don't think that'll happen as Nemesis really didn't do as well as the studio would like.
Also, DS9 and VGR wouldn't make a good movie franchise. For one, neither show was as popular as TOS nor TNG.
And, if that wasn't enough:
In DS9's case, there would be waaay too much backstory for the average movie goer to absorb.
And with Voyager, there would a lot of backstory to know as well and Voyager's "thing" was being lost in space. They got home at the end of the series. Having them come back together w/o the setting of the Delta Quadrant, I feel, would lose it's uniqueness. It would be nothing more than a TNG adventure with new people (and before people say that Voyager was just TNG-lite, at least they had the whole "lost in space" aspect that set it apart from TNG).
But, what do I know?
If anything -- and considering Logan's authorship of the 2002 version of The Time Machine, it's not a stretch -- Logan may have imagined the relationship between the Remans and Romulans as being sort of like H.G. Wells' Morlocks and Eloi.
Are they? They have the same forehead ridges as Romulans and Mintakans, they have pointed ears and they have the Vulcan telepathic abilities that the regular Romulans (and most of ENT's Vulcans) lost.
The "Vulcan's Soul" novel trilogy speculates that the Remans are radiation-damaged Romulans from the era of the exodus from Vulcan, exiled to Remus when the ships arrived on Romulus.
The movie made no ruling, so nothing much is "canonical" except their exile.
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