Nemesis

[Tallis Rhul]

Watched this tonight and I thought that it was a nice touch having the two warring alien factions approached from different perspectives. It was also quite clever having Chakotay on the "wrong side" of everything.

However, am I the only one who thought that this was just an excuse to get everyone to say "glimpse" as many times as possible in one episode?... Geez...

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Actually, I thought it was an excuse to see how often you could get "nemesis" in one episode.

I liked the ep, and the morality play that came with it. A reminder that just because someone looks like a monster, doesn't mean they are, and that in the end we have to be "taught" what we believe.

Sadly for Chakotay, what he was taught was a simple truth. "I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start."

 

[You_Guyz]

Its another strong season 4 episode tainted slightly by the stupid language they speak.

 

[Bones2]

Among Voyager's best in my view. Haven't seen it for quite a long time though. Might give it a view later.

 

[WildWoman]

I didn't care for it much just because it jumped from one severe thing to another.

But I did like Chakotay having the shock that they're not the enemy. Kind of reflected on his hate for the entire race of Cardasssians. While it can partially be justified, it's still wrong to hate the entire species. There are always some innocence.

 

[exodus]

Actually, I thought it was an excuse to see how often you could get "nemesis" in one episode.

I liked the ep, and the morality play that came with it. A reminder that just because someone looks like a monster, doesn't mean they are, and that in the end we have to be "taught" what we believe.

Sadly for Chakotay, what he was taught was a simple truth. "I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start."

Well said.

I also enjoyed how they translated the language.
Which makes very good sense that a culture thousands of light years away can develope a similar language structure but uses different terminology and phrases to describe things. It was almost Shakespearian.

"Wrestle your trembles to rages or the Nemesis will nullify you, Fathom?"

 

[You_Guyz]

Actually, I thought it was an excuse to see how often you could get "nemesis" in one episode.

I liked the ep, and the morality play that came with it. A reminder that just because someone looks like a monster, doesn't mean they are, and that in the end we have to be "taught" what we believe.

Sadly for Chakotay, what he was taught was a simple truth. "I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start."

Well said.

I also enjoyed how they translated the language.
Which makes very good sense that a culture thousands of light years away can develope a similar language structure but uses different terminology and phrases to describe things. It was almost Shakespearian.

"Wrestle your trembles to rages or the Nemesis will nullify you, Fathom?"

Well that implies basically every species seen in Star Trek has the same terminology and phrases as English.
Its best not to mess about with the universal translator when it makes no sense in the first place.

 

[Lynx]

This is one of the few episodes in seasons 4-7 I really like. I especially liked the twist in the tale with Chakotay happening to be on the "wrong" side. The whole scenario with those species at war with another was good.

The end scene is brilliant where Chakotay admits that it's easier to start hating than to stop doing it.

The strange language gave an extra touch to the whole thing.

Definitely a good Chakotay story too.

I'll give it 4 out of 5 points.

 

[Tallis Rhul]

I'm glimpsing quite a few people who enjoyed glimpsing the epsiode, but I can't fathom my glimpses at the number of positive comments about the dialogue that I'm glimpsing!

(Yes, I'm still on that.)

On a side note, did anyone else notice how much the "nemesis" looked like Nausicaans? I mean, they were different enough, but they did that cool teeth-in-the-face thing that Michael Westmore likes - I did think that was pretty cool.

 

[Lynx]

^^
That's right. I remember when I watched this episode. When they (I can't remember the name of the species right now) showed up the first time I said: "Oh dear, they're Nausicaans!"

On the other hand, the guy wo tried to sell drugs to Paris and Chakotay at the Nekrit station (and later was killed by Neelix's friend Wixiban) in "Fair Trade" did look like a Bothan and didn't the Rakosans in "Dreadnought" look similar to the Numiri in "Ex Post Facto"?

 

[propita]

They reminded me of Predator. Not exactly, but in that direction.

 

[OldManDax]

Hey You_Guyz, can you receive private messages? I'd like to send you one.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Well that implies basically every species seen in Star Trek has the same terminology and phrases as English.
Its best not to mess about with the universal translator when it makes no sense in the first place.

At least they weren't writing in English, like the aliens did in "Blink of an Eye."

 

[The Borg Queen]

On a side note, did anyone else notice how much the "nemesis" looked like Nausicaans? I mean, they were different enough, but they did that cool teeth-in-the-face thing that Michael Westmore likes - I did think that was pretty cool.

What was even weirder was the other race that looked just like Humans. What are the odds?

 

[EJA]

This is one of my favourite Voyager episodes. Don't know about anyone else, but I've always felt it's a bit eerie how Chakotay starts using the terminology of his captors just before he finds out the truth. The scene where he discovers that the nasty looking alien is Tuvok is brilliant.

 

[exodus]

Actually, I thought it was an excuse to see how often you could get "nemesis" in one episode.

I liked the ep, and the morality play that came with it. A reminder that just because someone looks like a monster, doesn't mean they are, and that in the end we have to be "taught" what we believe.

Sadly for Chakotay, what he was taught was a simple truth. "I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start."

Well said.

I also enjoyed how they translated the language.
Which makes very good sense that a culture thousands of light years away can develope a similar language structure but uses different terminology and phrases to describe things. It was almost Shakespearian.

"Wrestle your trembles to rages or the Nemesis will nullify you, Fathom?"

Well that implies basically every species seen in Star Trek has the same terminology and phrases as English.
Its best not to mess about with the universal translator when it makes no sense in the first place.

Considering most Earth languages derive from Latin.....

Didn't ENT. show most alien languages have the same syntax?

 

[Admiral Shran]

On a side note, did anyone else notice how much the "nemesis" looked like Nausicaans? I mean, they were different enough, but they did that cool teeth-in-the-face thing that Michael Westmore likes - I did think that was pretty cool.

What was even weirder was the other race that looked just like Humans. What are the odds?

Given the amount of human-looking aliens throughout the galaxy, I'd say the odds weren't high.

 

[The Borg Queen]

I'm sure there was a webpage somewhere that made comparisons showing different Star Trek aliens that looked identical, wish I knew where it was.

EDIT: Found it!

 

[I am not Spock]

I liked it. The propaganda theme was interesting, and I appreciated that they at least tried to do something different with the language for a change. I liked the ending as well. Chak can barely look at the Krady beast at the end. A well done episode. 4 stars.

 

[Odo You Didn't!]

In the first five minutes I was like "Oh great, a Chuckles episode," but it was actually alright. For a Chuckles episode.

The language was a bit annoying, but it was still a nice touch trying to play around with alien languages a bit - a change from the norm. Actually, I had repressed the fact they kept saying glimpse. Now, like everything anyone says after midnight when everyone's gone to bed so you're supposed to be quiet, it's really funny