I don't have him, I do have Starscream and Skywarp however!
sonak said:
You'll get no argument from me, which is why I moved from the cartoons to the comics and stuck with it from there.
Nemesis, TWOK, and Transformers
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I don't have him, I do have Starscream and Skywarp however!
You'll get no argument from me, which is why I moved from the cartoons to the comics and stuck with it from there.
I don't have him, I do have Starscream and Skywarp however!
I don't believe he's been released yet.
Neither Nemesis nor either of the first two modern Transformers movies can hold a candle to the original animated Transformers: The Movie or TWOK - which I would place about on par with one another, personally. Both had awesome combat scenes and also moved me to near tears. The only reason I've wanted to cry for Nemesis or any of the first two live action Transformers movies has been because of what travesties of cinema they have been.
But I'm still gonna go see TF3 this weekend, because I'm a giant hypocrite.
(Actually, I'm holding out a little hope that Spielberg's involvement may have made some sort of difference.)
But I'm still gonna go see TF3 this weekend, because I'm a giant hypocrite.
(Actually, I'm holding out a little hope that Spielberg's involvement may have made some sort of difference.)
Sure he has. 27 years ago.
I still need to get Thundercraker:
I don't have him, I do have Starscream and Skywarp however!
I don't believe he's been released yet.
Ah, well I'm talking about the original 80's toys.
Now THAT I do agree with.
Yes. YES.
So did I. And there's nothing about the modern Transformers movies that would connect, in the slightest, with my nostalgia for what came out of the 80's.
Oh, come on, dude. I don't like the new movies, either, but you have to admit there is something about Peter Cullen back as the voice of a semi that at least looks similar to Prime in 'bot mode is still pretty cool. I swear, if they had just made the entire movies him alternately pontificating like Abraham Lincoln and then turning into a semi and running over Decepticons for no apparent reason, they would have been a lot better.
Really, nothing? Not "One shall stand.."? The casting of Cullen Welker and Nimoy, Prime's trailer (which, after four years of fans demanding it ably showed why the first two films didn't bother with it, Prime gets turned over at least once in battle trying to lug the thing about), the Buster with the Matrix in his head plot, Sentinel Prime, the Wreckers, both the comic's Creation Matrix (albeit renamed The Allspark) and the cartoon's Matrix of Leadership, and of course, the last film being a straight merging of two different TV stories (I won't say which for fear of spoilers). Plus a fair few more, from pretty much all eras (Sparks, the Fallen, the Wreckers ship having the same name as the one in the IDW comics...). None of them?
As for grown ups enjoying it... Well, whilst there's a lot of stuff that can only get by on nostalgic love, the very best of Transformers fiction is gebuinely worth revisiting as an adult. The Legacy of Unicron from the Marvel days or The Agenda from Beast Wars are both great comics/TV episodes by any standards.
It's always worth remembering that, whilst it may have spun off from toys what made Transformers more successful than, say, Gobots (despite the toys being of a similar quality) was they were toys with fiction right from the off, with the bios on the back you weren't just buying a toy, you were getting a world. And all that backstory was created for Hasbro by Marvel comics, so adults being interested in it isn't really any odder than them being Spider-Man fans or whatever.
Speaking as a fan, I think the best thing about the Bay films, regardless of their qualities, is their impact on the rest of the Transformers. As well as making it really mainstream for the first time since the height of G1 (more so even, the films have reached more countries and a wider age range than any other version has), we've also seen a big kick up the arse to the rest of the franchise as a result.
Even for those who don't enjoy the live action films, we've had two great cartoons (much better than the previous Unicron trilogy) and a distinct improvement in the overall quality of the toys, be they the ones tied into the cartoons or films or the classic stuff (after a quarter century I own a Straxus at last!). Even though I'm still finding the current comics to be crap, overall it's great time to be a fan. And I am so psyched for Auto Assembly this year.
This episode of the Moobase 2 podcast is well worth a listen to, it's an extended interview with Bob Budiansky, who, as well as writing two thirds of the original Marvel US comic, is pretty much the closest thing Transformers has to a single creator, he came up with virtually all the backstory, character names and personalities and various cornerstones of the franchise like the Matrix.
He's a very humble, very likeable man and one of the nicest things about the way more and more info about the creation of it has come out over the last decade is how much the opinion of him amongst fans has risen as the extent of his contribution beyond issues about Micromasters wrestling has become apparent. [And yes, his first thought upon first discovering the internet and finding he was hated was indeed "Why are grown men reading comics I wrote for 8 year olds?"].
http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/the-moonbase-2-podcast-interviews-bob-budiansky-
I think the couple who are responding to my nostalgia comment are missing the point of what I said.
Yes, there are things in the new movies that have a connection to the old 80's series. Peter Cullen as Prime being the most obvious. I'm not saying there's nothing that would remind one of the old series. I'm saying my nostalgia -- my extremely fond memories of my childhood watching Transformers -- would in no way be served by any of the modern films.
Yes, there are things in the new movies that have a connection to the old 80's series. Peter Cullen as Prime being the most obvious. I'm not saying there's nothing that would remind one of the old series. I'm saying my nostalgia -- my extremely fond memories of my childhood watching Transformers -- would in no way be served by any of the modern films.
Transformers Archive, I did the comic reviews there for a few years till All Hail Megatron left me a broken, whimpering man. I must admit the sheer length of the Moonbase 2 podcasts stops me being a regular listener unless there's something specific I'm interested in.
What I especially love about Cullen being back as Prime is, unlike Welker's Megatron, his has always been the definative take on it (the other actors who've played Prime/Primal have all be good, but very much working in thr same ballpark), so getting him in simply because he did the best audition rather than a big "Name" was brilliant. As was basing his characterisation on his short showing in the original movie where he got to see Prime at he absolute best, strong, decisive and genuinely iconic. Throw in a little bit of the humour he had in the regular cartoon ("My bad" and the opening of the second film where he parachutes in just because it's cool) and he's pretty much brilliant.
Ah, I used to pop over to TF archive once in a while, but mostly hang around at TheTf.net.
The only thing I don't like about the new movies, is Optimus's character actually. he;s too brutal, and too cold blooded. I have a hard time convincing myself that he'd shoot a defenceless, wounded decepticon, who was no longer a threat in the head just because he's a decepticon
The only thing I don't like about the new movies, is Optimus's character actually. he;s too brutal, and too cold blooded. I have a hard time convincing myself that he'd shoot a defenceless, wounded decepticon, who was no longer a threat in the head just because he's a decepticon
Almost the reverse of my good self. The main reason I prefer the Archive to somewhere like the Allspark is it's a smaller, more friendly community. I don't know if it's the same at Tf.net but it makes for a more relaxed atmosphere.
Though with all their inbuilt weaponry and so on it's pretty much impossible to be completely sure that any Transformer is weaponless. Prime just doesn't take the same chance that got '86 film Prime killed when he thought Megatron was defenceless and wounded in front of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHLgeNqjrYw Transformers under Bay.
To keep this Trek... what would Bay do to Trek?
To keep this Trek... what would Bay do to Trek?
A gratuitous shot of Uhuru in her underwear, lots of big CGI action sequences, some silly comedy perhaps involving Scotty in a waterpipe and the hero deciding to make sure the villain dies by continuing to attack them after they're already defeated.
But... No lens flare.
I want "Frankenstein Jr and the Impossibles: Reunion Movie".
