NEMESIS is worst Trek movie

[RobertScorpio]

I guess this is bantered about a lot on this site, but now it is time for me to weigh in on this one.

Star Trek Nemesis is the worst Star Trek movie of all time. And in terms of box office, it is the biggest flop.

Star Trek V made about 112 million dollars world wide in 1989. Based on today's dollar that would equate to between 185-215 million dollars depending which measure you use. Nemesis only made 110 million world wide thirteen years later!!! That would come to about 120 million in 2008.

As bad as some of you go after Shatner, Patrick Stewart's acting in Nemesis was as if he mailed it in. I can actually watch Star Trek V. I don't think I will ever watch Nemesis again for as long as I live. I love some of the character moments in V, I can't stand anything about Nemesis. The music is off. There is practically no camera work. And the plot was terrible.

Yes..this is all opinion..mine...but that is how I compare these two movies..

Robert Scorpio

 

[Jon1701]

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

 

[Cyrus]

No it isn't. Not by a long shot. TFF makes Nemesis look like a masterpiece.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

ST V had a good premise that was badly executed. Some of the character moments are the best in the film series, though they are mired in a sub-par film. Much of the humor in the piece is misplaced and Shatner's directing leaves much to be desired. The film is also hindered by SFX that were horrible even by the standards of the day. But given these flaws I still find it watchable.

Nemesis' basic premise was awful. Three words: Picard's Evil Clone. I find it almost completely unwatchable.

 

[Warp Coil]

I've gone back and forth between which film is worse - TFF or NEM. I can see why people choose either of these as the worst film of all time. NEM has a terrible script and a terrible director. TFF had a bad script, too, but at least we know that it was produced during the WGA strike in the 80's. It also suffered from budget cuts. NEM didn't have either of these problems, and the film still turned out to be a disaster.

 

[egonbeeblebrox]

I like TFF. It's corny, and pretty obviously went through some production troubles, but I enjoy it. The only thing that really rubbed me the wrong way was how out-of-character Kirk seemed through most of it. The one scene that flat-out took me out of the movie was when he shouted "SHOOT HIM!" to Spock. Just didn't seem right.

NEM is pretty much terrible throughout. I think if it had a different director, it could have been nearly as good as TFF, which isn't really saying much. But at least I can watch TFF occasionally.

 

[jayrath]

Any ST film with calm, reserved (and aging) Picard laughing like a jackal as he drives a 20th century dune buggy is automatically worst.

 

[Michael]

 

[chancellorjake]

Nemesis' basic premise was awful. Three words: Picard's Evil Clone. I find it almost completely unwatchable.

Agreed! When you realize that the whole movie is about an clone gone rogue it becomes pretty laughable. It's even more ridiculous and frustrating that Tom Hardy looks nothing like Patrick Stewart.

It's sad that the TNG cast didn't get a good send off. They deserved something better than Nemesucks.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

It's even more ridiculous and frustrating that Tom Hardy looks nothing like Patrick Stewart.

I've always thought he looked more like Dr Evil than Jean-Luc Picard...

 

[chancellorjake]

^BWAH!

 

[TheCanon72]

Nonononononono.

Nemesis was Great! tm

Star Trek XI shoul be about the 24th Century. tm

Didn't you get the memo? tm

 

[Shaw]

Nemesis is a pretty forgettable film, but TFF wasn't just the worst Star Trek film... it ranks as the worst film of all time (of any genera) for me. There have been bad Trek movies and episodes, but the only one that I would want all existing copies of destroyed, and any mention of it getting the person a one way ticket to gitmo is TFF.

Quite frankly, I thought Shatner should have served time in prison for inflicting such an offensive film on myself and my family. It was bad enough that he started attempting to recreate Kirk in his own image (that of a buffoon) after the second season of TOS, but anyone who knows anything about him should never have let him anywhere near either the story writing or directing positions.

But yeah, Nemesis wasn't all that great (but I also wasn't all that thrilled with either Insurrection or Generations), the films were running out of steam... And I personally think it is due to the fact that Star Trek wasn't meant to be a once every couple years major event. The best stories of Star Trek get slipped in during the course of a series, but those same stories are usually the first to be weeded out from consideration for a film. Some of the best Treks ever had the least amount of special effects, which would rule them out as the basis of a film version.

You know what I would love to see in Star Trek XI? Almost no special effects! People go to movies all the time that have no special effects. Take Trek back to what matters the most... story.

And most of all, DON'T INSULT YOUR AUDIENCE! That, above every other failing of TFF, was why I truly hated that film.

 

[TheCanon72]

Nemesis had more FX than TFF but TFF was worse.

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[number6]

Nemesis wasn't that horrible.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

It's even more ridiculous and frustrating that Tom Hardy looks nothing like Patrick Stewart.

I've always thought he looked more like Dr Evil than Jean-Luc Picard...

"One billion dollars...what do you mean the 24th century does not use money?!"

 

[BriGuy]

No it isn't. Not by a long shot. TFF makes Nemesis look like a masterpiece.

Agreed, to a point. I've come to appreciate some things in TFF, but as an overall package, I'd rather watch Nemesis.

But back in the day, being a Trekkie in high school and tormented terribly, I was embarrassed by TFF. The Trek movie franchise reached the peak of Mt. Everest with TVH, then fell into the deepest darkest pit imaginable with TFF. It's a miracle the entire franchise didn't implode then and there.

 

[HoundDog]

Nemesis is far from perfection, but it has its moments - actually, I like some of the scenes between Picard and Shinzon (some good dialogue, IMO) and the battle-sequence in the last third of the movie. But on the other hand, Action-Picard is very much out of character if you compare him to the tv-series
One thing I don't get about this movie is: The wedding at the beginning was supposed to take place in Alaska, wasn't it? Then, in the next scene, they were aboard the Enterprise (obviously on the way to Betazed) and suddenly detecting a positronic signature on a planet near the Romulan Neutral Zone. How wide is there sensor-range supposed to be? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me that a Starship can detect a positronic signature that obviously must be lightyears away.

 

[Deckerd]

Which is the one where Scotty pipes a coffin off the ship? That has to be the most cringe-makingly hilarious moment in cinematic history.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Spock's funeral in TWOK.