Nemesis - Extended Ending

[Jon1701]

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Meh, I still like the wesley stuff. Maybe its just me.

Good stuff overall, Stew - love the removal of the chair gag - works perfectly now.

As for the film overall - i would have a good look at all the Picard/Shinzon stuff. They basically have the same conversation at least 4 times. Far too much in the film IMO. I would certainly edit out the final one in the rift (in the ready room).

 

[Brikar99]

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I wouldn't - though I agree that the scenes are somewhat similar, that's the one where it's most intense and most important. It's Picard's last and final attempt to convince Shinzon to give up on conquest. I'd leave that one in, definitely.

 

[Hillali2]

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Nemesis had really poor editors as well as director it would seem. Very nice job sir. Very professional. It adds a certain something that nemesis was missing before.

And im i right in saying that the mark 7 chair is the very same one they replaced captain archers with in the latter seasons of enterprise?

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

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^ Who edited Nemesis? God I hope it wasn't Stuart Baird as he's a wonderful editor for other people.

 

[Brikar99]

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Admiral James Kirk said:
^ Who edited Nemesis? God I hope it wasn't Stuart Baird as he's a wonderful editor for other people.

Credits say "Dallas Puett", though as director, Baird would have considerable imput on the editing process. However, Puett's other credits include:

The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001) (as Dallas S. Puett)
Red Planet (2000)
Deep Blue Sea (1999) (as Dallas S. Puett)
Lethal Weapon 4 (1998)
Kull the Conqueror (1997)
Executive Decision (1996)
Free Willy 2: The Adventure Home (1995)
Radio Flyer (1992)
Bird on a Wire (1990)
Disorganized Crime (1989)
Hot to Trot (1988)
American Flyers (1985)
Inchon (1981)

 

[Trekker4747]

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The seatbelt gag was horrible. It was far too meta, and too much winking at the audiance.

There's no seatbelts because of the IDF, get over it.

 

[cardinal biggles]

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Brikar99 said:
Credits say "Dallas Puett", though as director, Baird would have considerable imput on the editing process.

(snip)

Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (2001) (as Dallas S. Puett)

The second of two films Baird helped bail out in the editing room for Paramount (the other being M:I-2)

Lethal Weapon 4 (1998)

Baird edited the first two LW films (along with The Omen, Superman, and Maverick) for Dick Donner, so Puett might have come highly recommended to Donner. Baird was tied up with U.S. Marshals at the time.

Executive Decision (1996)

Baird's first directing gig.

Radio Flyer (1992)

Baird and Puett were co-editors on this one.

 

[WillsBabe]

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Sad as it is, I like the Wesley scene. I find it hard to believe that he's that exited about the engines, not, actually that he's excited, but that he shows it to that extent. How old is he supposed to be? But I like that he's distracted by the girls. Overall, I like the scene. Duno why, I just do.

Thanks for taking the time to put all these clips together!

 

[StarMan]

WillsBabe said:
I really enjoyed this. I think it's too long, though. Too drawn out.

That about sums it up for me.

Great work, StewMc.

 

[JacksonArcher]

The second version has more fluidity, however the first version works great until the seatbelt gag. Remove that, and just that, and the first version would've been absolutely fine.

I think the Picard/B-4 scene works because it offers some perspective on Data from Picard's mouth. Yes, he's jumping from bit to bit but it doesn't really set-up a sequel as much as hear some introspective thoughts regarding Data and his life from Picard and even alluding to him possibly feeling slightly recovered over Data's death...we only get glimpses of his reaction to Data's death, and that scene rather subtletly handles that.

 

[Ssosmcin]

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StewMc said:

Still in two minds about the Wesley scene: the dialogue about the Titan's engines is cringworthy.

I'm of one mind. Wil Wheaton forgot everything he knew about acting. Yikes. His scene was rightfully cut.

 

[Ssosmcin]

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Hirogen Alpha said:
^^
The Dune Buggy Cut is great,

the problem with cutting the dune buggy sequence is that you lose the only action setpiece in the first half of the film. What you're left with is just talking heads. Whether or not you liked the scene is not the issue, it disrupts the structure of the story. It's like having the rebels leave Hoth because the Star Destroyers are coming, but skipping the snow battle.

 

[ChristopherPike]

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Thanks very much for sharing, StewMc. You've clearly put much thought into this and I always look forward to seeing your work.

It's a shame, Paramount couldn't have used the DVD seemless branching technique like Fox did with it's Alien and X-Men films, that way we could have at least had the option to see missing scenes put back. Plus it's hard to believe the best footage available to them had Berman's name burned into the screen.

 

[JacksonArcher]

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ssosmcin said:
I'm of one mind. Wil Wheaton forgot everything he knew about acting. Yikes. His scene was rightfully cut.

Indeed. It's rather cringeworthy. Plus, it feels tacked on. There's no explaination for why he's in uniform (given established continuity) and it just appears odd and forced.

 

[StewMc]

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ChristopherPike said:
Plus it's hard to believe the best footage available to them had Berman's name burned into the screen.

They probably took the first thing they could find. What's even more likely is that Paramount didn't want a good quality extended cut to appear from anywhere externally.

ssosmcin said:
the problem with cutting the dune buggy sequence is that you lose the only action setpiece in the first half of the film. What you're left with is just talking heads. Whether or not you liked the scene is not the issue, it disrupts the structure of the story.

True, and I did say that earlier on, but it's not as if Nemesis is the most well structured film to begin with. That said, the buggy scene is actually in my current cut of the film as I never took it out when I started editing the whole film properly. Like anything else there's going to be people who would disagree with certain cuts and other people who would love them.

Current cut stands at around 2 hours, 7 minutes (PAL) with the following changes:

In:
- Picard/Beverly dialogue from cut Wesley scene.
- Picard/Data scene after the wedding (with some small dialogue cut here and there).
- Initial Shinzon scene in senate (again with dialogue trims, to try and cut down on the "mwahahahaha"-type villian stuff").
- Worf "recommend(s) extreme caution" scene.
- Some extra dialogue in the staircase scene.
- Picard opens up to Troi in the corridor scene.
- Extended Picard/Beverly scene in Picard's quarters.
- Second mind rape scene.
- Worf and Geordi clear out Data's quarters scene.
- Picard talks to Beverly at Starfleet Medical scene.
- Picard meets Commander Martin Madden scene (seatbelt free).

Out:
- Worf's drunk moment.
- Wesley and his fancy Warp Core.
- Some of the B4 (and Data posing as B4) dialogue at various points in the film.
- Possibly the Buggy chase scene.
- The Picard/Beverly deleted scene in sickbay before the battle is still out.

Still ongoing, and I have an idea to combine both my extended endings involving the B4 scene returning, with a difference. Need to experiment.

Another experiment I wanted to try was to move the first set of end credits back to the beginning of the film, and restore the music for the proper end credits from the butchered version they used in the final cut. Problem is there's not really any music that could go over the credits at the start of the film.

 

[JacksonArcher]

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StewMc, I am extremely looking forward to your new cut of Star Trek Nemesis. I think everyone has been always wondering, "How would NEM be different it was just cut differently?". There was at least 2 and a half hours worth of footage, and the fact that Baird and Puett couldn't splice a decent movie out of the footage shot is a bit head-scratching.

I think your cut could prove whether or not a lot of the deleted scenes would've fitted better if kept, and how their insertion might benefit the film. Just from the basis of your extended ending, it's clear that a lot of the deleted scenes would have made the ending a bit more proper in terms of closure and so forth.

Anyway, off-topic, can you tell us what editing tools are you using? I can only imagine the difficulty of editing a two-hour feature film, inserting scenes, deleting some, including dialogue, etc. Are you a professional editor? And if not, would you consider getting into the field? You certainly have an aptitude for it, at least.

 

[StewMc]

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I'm mainly using Sony Vegas 6 for editing, along with Goldwave for some minor audio stuff and VirtualDub for some encoding. I'm also experimenting with plugins in both Vegas and After Effects to try and fill in the deleted scene green screen windows with starscapes.

EDIT: Here's an example of said tests, done in Vegas, but looking very ropey at the moment (mixture of the poor quality of the original footage, my lack of experience with keying and the fact that I can't find a decent starscape image).

Picard & Data scene clip - with 'finished' effects and score (30secs)

I'm far from a professional editor, but I would love to get into the field. Got a taste for it while making a couple of short films and stuff for a uni degree and would love a career in editing. One of the main reasons I'm doing this (and the previous TATV/Pegasus Frankenstein ep) is just for the practice.

EDIT: I forgot to add, how's this for a title for the extended version: Star Trek Nemesis: More Than B4.

 

[Kadratis]

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That is very respectable, Stew. I just wished the deleted clips weren't in such horrible quality visual and sound wise. You made off quite well with what you had! Props to you! :thumbsup:

 

[garak1]

"For me, the single best moment was the very last shot of Picard. He's just left his quarters after overhearing B4 mumbling Data's wedding song to himself. Here's our Captain, having just lost half the crew he's spent fifteen years with. His ship's in pieces, and there are strangers coming in to replace his departed comrades. As he silently walks down the corridor, he's frowning... And it slowly turns to a smile. Why? Because despite all this change, all this tragedy, he KNOWS that things are going to be all right. He accepts this, and we know he and his ship are also going to be fine. And the film ends on that note.

Beautifully put. I agree, the end of Nemesis was very touching.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Thanks!

Applause also to Stew for his continued work - I'm really looking forward to the finished product.

Incidentally, I did a music video that uses the Data-Picard scene as the end credits, substituting other things for the green - it's a good laugh. I'll get my editor's permission to put it on the YouTube or something (don't think his ISP could handle the bandwidth otherwise) to illustrate what we did.

Mark