Nemesis and Trek XI similarities - It seems Bad

[Amasov]

I think some of you are just far too superstitious and are looking for any reason to support your opinion that you think this is going to be a bad movie. I, for one am really looking forward to this movie. Re-imagining, re-introduction, whatever you want to call it, it's EXACTLY What the franchise needs.

New blood was brought in to inject new life into the franchise, Leonard Nimoy is going to be involved and, hopefully, Bill Shatner, and the story, what little we know of it, sounds like it's going to be very exciting. I truly do believe Nimoy's comments about what he thinks of the film.

Just wait, please. The movie won't be out for quite sometime. Nothing gets me more frustrated then when I hear people talking bad about a movie long before it comes - especially when we are more than an entire flippin' year!

 

[seigezunt]

Sorry, mate. Try again. Those "in the know" made a whole series of crappy ST films, not to mention crappy ST series.

 

[Amasov]

seigezunt said:
Sorry, mate. Try again. Those "in the know" made a whole series of crappy ST films, not to mention crappy ST series.

Oh, now I understand. You've really convinced me now.

 

[EyalM]

STV had Nimoy in it. STXI will have Nimoy in it. The movie is doomed...

 

[seigezunt]

Amasov said:

seigezunt said:
Sorry, mate. Try again. Those "in the know" made a whole series of crappy ST films, not to mention crappy ST series.

Oh, now I understand. You've really convinced me now.

I was referring to the OP, not you. I believe we are in agreement, actually.

 

[Kirkunit]

Cary L. Brown said:
To be fair, Nemesis wasn't (IMHO) as bad as everyone keeps saying.

I found the whole Shinzon bit to be annoying as hell, and I found the whole "B4" bit to be even more so. I found the "Picard is an action figure" bits to be laughable. And the "let's fly into a communications blind spot" trick to be ludicrous and contrived.

But there was enough good there that I actually enjoyed, overall, watching the film.

So shoot me...

That's pretty much how I felt. I really didn't think it worse than Insurrection or Generations. I kind of lump all the TNG movies (except First Contact) together.

However, and I've said this before, there is one change they could have made to Nemesis to potentially make it really great: make the threat be from the Mirror Universe. We didn't need to see a Picard clone with some hokey vendetta and another Data model -- those elements are built right into the MU. There might have needed to be a line or two of dialogue with respect to DS9, but the movie would have felt much less contrived, IMO.

 

[Amasov]

seigezunt said:

Amasov said:

seigezunt said:
Sorry, mate. Try again. Those "in the know" made a whole series of crappy ST films, not to mention crappy ST series.

Oh, now I understand. You've really convinced me now.

I was referring to the OP, not you. I believe we are in agreement, actually.

Ahh, ok. My mistake. I apologize.

 

[Woulfe]

Berman & Braga are involved with XI ?

- W -
* God I hope not, that would spell doom right away *

 

[cardinal biggles]

No they aren't.

 

[Ihlecreations]

My 2 cents:
First off I don't think that Nemesis was any where near as bad as Innsurrection, or Dare I say it The Final Frontier.
There were a few moments here and there that I rolled my eyes at. I agree it would be a better 2 parter than a feature film(the same goes for Generations IMHO).
Second, aside from the 4-7 seasons of Voyager and seasons 2-3 of Enterprise I have never found a Trek I didn't like. Animated to Remastered. I am really looking forward to this movie as it is the first Trek in 20 years without Berman in the mix. I like the idea of a new cast in the old roles, kinda like James Bond or Batman. This may be one of the few films I don't go hunting info on so I am actually surprised when I see it. (This is a lie, I will be scouring sites for all the info I can get.)I say Viva la Abrams and Long live Trek!!!

 

[RookieBatman]

Adam Ihle said:
My 2 cents:
First off I don't think that Nemesis was any where near as bad as Innsurrection, or Dare I say it The Final Frontier.
There were a few moments here and there that I rolled my eyes at. I agree it would be a better 2 parter than a feature film(the same goes for Generations IMHO).
Second, aside from the 4-7 seasons of Voyager and seasons 2-3 of Enterprise I have never found a Trek I didn't like. Animated to Remastered. I am really looking forward to this movie as it is the first Trek in 20 years without Berman in the mix. I like the idea of a new cast in the old roles, kinda like James Bond or Batman. This may be one of the few films I don't go hunting info on so I am actually surprised when I see it. (This is a lie, I will be scouring sites for all the info I can get.)I say Viva la Abrams and Long live Trek!!!

Huzzah! (As they said in the olden days.) The more optimism, the better. I think anybody can make the movie bad (in their own mind) just by going into the theater with a thousand reason that the movie's gonna suck. There are good elements of most movies, even the Wild Wild West remake, and TFF. Focusing on the good elements doesn't make a bad movie good, but you can still enjoy it, if you want to. Far worse, though, is focusing on the bad elements of a good movie.
I think that got a little convoluted. Basically what I'm saying is that if this is a good movie (and Nimoy certainly thinks the script is good), then each person is more likely to enjoy it with a positive attitude. Go into it with a bad attitude, ready to nitpick every microscopic detail that DOESN'T MATTER, and you'll just be ruining it for yourself. So, more positivity, says I.
That's my 2 cents.

 

[LoneStranger]

I don't read reviews on movies I know I am going to see anyway. All that ever does is make me notice the 'flaws' that the reviewer saw. I find that if I don't know about the flaws, I'm less likely to see them and more likely to enjoy the film.

 

[RookieBatman]

Also very true. And for that matter, most of the time the reviewer goes in looking for the flaws in something, and ends up only finding flaws in an overall entertaining movie.

 

[Barbados Slim]

First: Nemesis is the worst Trek movie of them all, mostly because Berman and Spiner's story, but also because Stuart Baird had no clue what he was making (if you doubt it, listen to the commentary. Good luck staying awake.) The other bad ones at least had decent character elements to latch onto.

Second: Orci and Kurtzman aren't the best screenwriters in town, but they do action very well. JJ Abrams surrounds himself with a team of hotshit writers and producers so if anything, Trek XI will be the freshest, newest Trek movie since Wrath. M:I-III is way underrated (best of the trilogy) and 1-11-08 looks innovative and interesting. Alias was entertaining even the seasons that sucked and Lost is at the top of it's game (Season 3 was the best season yet for people who stayed with it).

The film is still 18 months out so it's way too early to judge, but Paramount is going in the right direction. Besides, if I were charged with rejuvenating the Trek franchise, I wouldn't give a shit about what the unappreciative, obsessed Trekkies wanted anyway because most of the ideas that are posted in these forums are completely unoriginal and not marketable.

 

[Broccoli]

^^ Hotshit writers? :-p

 

[Barbados Slim]

^^
Damon Lindelof
Carlton Cuse
Bryan Burk
Drew Goddard
Jeff Leiber
Javiar Grillo-Marxuach
Jesse Alexander
David Fury

You can scoff, but JJ's crew is absolute hotshit right now.

 

[Aragorn]

Amasov said:
I think some of you are just far too superstitious and are looking for any reason to support your opinion that you think this is going to be a bad movie.

It's not superstition -- it's called grasping at straws and making self-fulfilling prophecies. If you watch The Godfather for the very first time with the sole intention of hating every second of it, you will.

 

[Amasov]

Aragorn said:

Amasov said:
I think some of you are just far too superstitious and are looking for any reason to support your opinion that you think this is going to be a bad movie.

It's not superstition -- it's called grasping at straws and making self-fulfilling prophecies. If you watch The Godfather for the very first time with the sole intention of hating every second of it, you will.

You put it nicely. Thanks.

I think the best way to put is that a lot of you aren't willing to have an open mind.

 

[Sec31Mike]

I just read Nimoy's interview on Trekmovie.com.

It seems like Nimoy has had more than a quick meeting with JJ and crew. It looks like he did indeed give the script a good read.

I hope hey was able to throw some weight behind the effort to keep it good. And I also hope that JJ and crew were open enough to Nimoy's input. Nimoy was always a positive force for Trek. I hope this shines through in the movie.

 

[number6]

In fact Nimoy and Shatner had many meetings with Abrams. Though the details of such hasn't really been revealed, many assume it was to get their thoughts and ideas of what makes their characters tick and what they feel is Trek's noblest qualities. The fact Nimoy is even involved at all is a very strong sign that this movie might be really good.