Nemesis: Alternate Ideas

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by M.A.C.O., Feb 28, 2022.

  1. suarezguy

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    They all but explicitly do that, I think that is clear from that they do resist being moved. And a lot of people do have that reaction but I don't think it makes them terrible people to not want to and refuse to leave their home where they've been for maybe 300 years. Especially when health and medicine and longevity in the Federation are as good as they already are.

    And wanting to not leave isn't exactly necessarily denying the benefits to others, it's just that if others want to get the benefits they would need to come to and also live on the planet.
     
  2. Qonundrum

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    NEM was a mess, but I'm warming up to it more than INS as NEM feels like it's trying to do more than be a mishmash of ideas, something both movies are guilty of.

    And because INS was quick to take a plot idea that was used as cheap joke fodder in FC, about their becoming insurrectionists.

    And because NEM doesn't shift plot goalposts every 20 minutes between how many in Starfleet are behind some biiiiiiiiiig eeeeeeeeeeeeeepiiiiiiiiiccccccccccc ccccccccoooonnnnnnnnnspiracyyyyyyyyyy! (ugh)

    Too SUS - small universe syndrome., IMHO.

    Why even have Remans? The Romulans wiped their cousin species out ages ago and both planets are ran by Romulans.

    Nixing B4 (even the name is stupid) would have been a boon.

    The blood transfusion idea was way too contrived. Having a clone requiring it -- maybe, but Shinzon too is contrived. (Tom Hardy does MUCH with what's given and for all the story's problems, it's clear the actor wasn't at fault.)

    The shapeshifter idea isn't bad - it's shades of the two or three times Kirk had a doppelganger in TOS, but your implementation of it is a LOT better than the Romulan convoluted mess and could actually hold its own. An Evil Picard never hurts, either...

    Big-time!

    Nice touch, I like that.

    Now imagine if they had Sisko and crew for "First Contact" and not letting Defiant and all be the butt of reunion partytime thrill'n'chill jokes. I mean, the Defiant was built to let door to door salesmen sell encyclopedia sets on street corners easier... Oh wait, it was built specifically to counter the Borg, yet in FC it's quickly all but destroyed and-- oh very well, it was a prototype given to Sisko because the thing almost fell apart in tests and was a danger so let's hand it to the itty bitty station under the rug waaaaaay over there, where it's the most awesome ship ever until one movie needs a bit of plot fodder... maybe it's for the best DS9 escaped the movie theater experience. DS9 has aged better and comes across far more robust and less cast reunion parties than the TNG Trek films often felt. (At least INS and especially NEM try to get back in the "serious" department...)

    Star Trek 1-3 seemed to be aimed mostly at sci-fi and Trek fans, hoping to use big visuals to capture general audiences in the way Star Wars had. 2 broke through the mold and brought back general audiences, with 3 continuing the ride. 4 is the first one that actively goes into "lowest common denominator" (for better and worse) to aim at everyone. It's very good but it's also very 80s and is now very dated. Not sure where I'm going with all that, but by 2002, the franchise needed a new production team. Berman's era was excellent, but was also played out and the movies were proving it, as well as the latter spinoffs.

    2002 did have a lot of strong movies. Spider-Man being one of the best IMHO...
     
  3. Qonundrum

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    I didn't. It didn't work when they did it in ENT, though being a prequel directly attached to TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/EIEIO helps topple any suspension of disbelief very quickly. :(
     
  4. suarezguy

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    Given that the writers wanted to have a pretty big Nosferatu influence on Nemesis/X, what if they hired Alex Proyas to direct (and contribute to the story) as he had done strong Nosferatu homage in Dark City?