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Neglected Ship Farragut

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tri said:
From the angle it was filmed,from it looked,totally magnificent and is I believe,the ship that should have been,used in,Voyager instead of that turdish looking intrepid class which,had,no screen presence,at all and looked generic and run of the mill.
What? No love for the Enterprise-B? I've heard it would make an outstanding hotel...
 
tri said:
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The USS Farragut is the,best ship.I wonder if it possible to replace all,USS Voyager ship appeareances by this instead by using some kind of automated program.I hear they are remastering TOS.By remastering Voyager they could edit in new footage,of this ship instead and it,could find a new audience and fanbase and make,money for Parmount too.


In a weird sort of way, he might have a point...Janeway being stranded with a large ship much as the nebula class, would help explain away alot of the shuttle/torp./crew issues scince it would stand to reason that the nebula is probibly similar in capabilities to the galaxy class.
 
Slappy The Vulcan said:
tri said:
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The USS Farragut is the,best ship.I wonder if it,possible to replace all,USS Voyager ship appeareances by this instead by using some kind of automated program.I hear they,are remastering TOS.By remastering Voyager they could edit in new footage,of this ship instead and it,could find,a new audience and fanbase and make,money for Parmount too.


In a weird sort of way, he might have a point...Janeway being stranded with a large ship much as the nebula class, would help explain away alot of the shuttle/torp./crew issues scince it would stand to reason that the nebula is probibly similar in capabilities to the galaxy class.

That is what,I was trying to say,that many Voyager issues could,be solved by using,the Nebula class,as defined at the end of Generations.

The ship is a major,star of TOS and by putting,that splayed chicken intrepid class,they lost a major identity/star of the show.Voyager just lacked,any great distinction.

Image is vital in today's world.

A memorable image is worth money in the bank.

Look how much,multinationals spend/waste vast amounts of money on the correct image.An airline called British Airways spend $120 million painting the rudders,with stupid looking graffiti art after a consultant told them to do so as a joke.

The stupid chairman was fired 6 months later.


Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?

The nebula class is bigger,and would have made awesome FX shots as the ship,turned or manoevered,with the large disc section.

It would have been magnificent.

If only they had tried harder.

I cry at the lost opportunity.

It would have presence,grace and momentum and majesty.

Majesty is very important in a lead ship.

Who else agrees with me on this very important matter?


Anyone know what Cardinal Buggles is going on about?
 
tri said:
That is what,I was trying to say,that many Voyager issues could,be solved by using,the Nebula class,as defined at the end of Generations.

The ship is a major,star of TOS and by putting,that splayed chicken intrepid class,they lost a major identity/star of the show.Voyager just lacked,any great distinction.
I'm ... honestly not clear on what problems of Voyager would be cured by their having a starship which evokes the styling of a curling stone.
 
tri said:
Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?
That "idiot" would be Rick Sternbach, who happens to post here from time to time.

And whether the design is flawed or not, the idea that the size and design of the ship will sink the show IS flawed. What sank Voyager was bad stories, horrendous character development, and the early abandonment of the show's original concept. What the ship looks like is far, far down the list of what was wrong with that show.
 
Hell. I like the Intrepid Class. It was a nice change, and who the hell said that all ships had to look like Connies anyway?
 
cardinal biggles said:
tri said:
Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?
That "idiot" would be Rick Sternbach, who happens to post here from time to time.

And whether the design is flawed or not, the idea that the size and design of the ship will sink the show IS flawed. What sank Voyager was bad stories, horrendous character development, and the early abandonment of the show's original concept. What the ship looks like is far, far down the list of what was wrong with that show.

The ship is the main star.

It is the first thing you see on the screen.

Voyager had excellent stories.Character development is boring yakkety yak as in that yawn inducing nuBsg with it's dull grey monotonic dirges going on about boring drink problems...and by the way I never say any cylons in that.Where were they?
 
There are many things I found problematic in Star Trek: Voyager; the ship design was not one of them. Not the best design ever, but certainly beautiful, and a lot more appealing than the Nebula kitbash.
 
Rick Sternbach said:
cardinal biggles said:
tri said:
Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?
That "idiot" would be Rick Sternbach, who happens to post here from time to time.

From time to time. :)

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com

lol, this is great. The awesome Rick Sternbach posts in a thread that deserved to be closed a week ago :)

Thanks Rick for all the great work over the years, btw!
 
We need but say his name and he appears.
Like Beetlegeuse.
Or the Jersey Devil.
Or something.

:)
 
22 Stars said:

lol, this is great. The awesome Rick Sternbach posts in a thread that deserved to be closed a week ago :)

Thanks Rick for all the great work over the years, btw!

Heh. Thanks for the good words. I do a search about once a week to see whazzup. Regarding the folks who don't like this or that design, well, they're entitled to their opinions. I don't like every ship I've seen in Trek or in a lot of SF films in general; however, I wouldn't call their creators idiots.

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
Rick Sternbach said:
cardinal biggles said:
tri said:
Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?
That "idiot" would be Rick Sternbach, who happens to post here from time to time.

From time to time. :)

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com

Hello Rick Sternbach.

I did not mean to be rude and am sorry for calling you an idiot,but you do realize that many people have a passion for the show and feel very strongly about the choices you made on their behalf,after the task was entrusted to you,in which you let us down very badly by picking a design,which you probably will admit to yourself,if not openly,in hindsight was ugly and failed to sell Trek to the masses.

Perhaps in your defense you could explain to us,what thought processes lead you to choose a ship design with the worst screen presence and the least desirable profile,in other words we are asking you to justify a design that was not photogenic or supporting the identity of the Trekverse,and which in our opinion was a significant factor in Voyager not reaching it's true potential in the all important ratings.

Do take into account the preceding arguments in my aforementioned threads before you reply.

Also do bear in mind when you go into a shop,the shop window display design is an important factor before,you enter into a shop as verified by numerous studies.
 
^^^
In Rick's defense I'd offer that arguing with fanboys about design on a BBS is like dancing about architecture.
 
tri said:
Rick Sternbach said:
cardinal biggles said:
tri said:
Anyone know which idiot designed/implemented the chicken Voyager?
That "idiot" would be Rick Sternbach, who happens to post here from time to time.

From time to time. :)

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com

Hello Rick Sternbach.

I did not mean to be rude and am sorry for calling you an idiot,but you do realize that many people have a passion for the show and feel very strongly about the choices you made on their behalf,after the task was entrusted to you,in which you let us down very badly by picking a design,which you probably will admit to yourself,if not openly,in hindsight was ugly and failed to sell Trek to the masses.

Perhaps in your defense you could explain to us,what thought processes lead you to choose a ship design with the worst screen presence and the least desirable profile,in other words we are asking you to justify a design that was not photogenic or supporting the identity of the Trekverse,and which in our opinion was a significant factor in Voyager not reaching it's true potential in the all important ratings.

Do take into account the preceding arguments in my aforementioned threads before you reply.

Also do bear in mind when you go into a shop,the shop window display design is an important factor before,you enter into a shop as verified by numerous studies.


Personally, I'd love, to see, your ship designs, since, you know, so much, about aesthetics, of ships, that don't exist.

Or, perhaps you could, show us your credentials, since you apparently know, so much about, demographics and television, production.

I don't mean, to sound rude, as I call out how, much every,thing, you've done, has sucked.
 
tri said:

Hello Rick Sternbach.

I did not mean to be rude and am sorry for calling you an idiot,but you do realize that many people have a passion for the show and feel very strongly about the choices you made on their behalf,after the task was entrusted to you,in which you let us down very badly by picking a design,which you probably will admit to yourself,if not openly,in hindsight was ugly and failed to sell Trek to the masses.

Perhaps in your defense you could explain to us,what thought processes lead you to choose a ship design with the worst screen presence and the least desirable profile,in other words we are asking you to justify a design that was not photogenic or supporting the identity of the Trekverse,and which in our opinion was a significant factor in Voyager not reaching it's true potential in the all important ratings.

Do take into account the preceding arguments in my aforementioned threads before you reply.

Also do bear in mind when you go into a shop,the shop window display design is an important factor before,you enter into a shop as verified by numerous studies.

I do believe I won't even dignify this with any further reply.

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
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