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Neelix's life span.

Guy Gardener

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Um, he's got one lung.

That would would shave a few years off anyone.

But, that lung is going to crap out around the end of season seven since it was ever only going to last as long as Kes would have.

Neelix does mention that he still only has one lung in a subsequent episode half way through the third season in Macrocosm, so his condition was never permanently rectified that we know about.

If he's a dead man in season 7 somewhen, then why is he thinking about proposing marriage to that girl during the course of Endgame?
 
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Hello? He was in a Talaxian colony. I'm sure he'd able to find a donor at one point...
 
Hello? He was in a Talaxian colony. I'm sure he'd able to find a donor at one point...

lol true! Also whos to say kes is dead? Kes I think went past the age limit of her race. Infact I doubt she really has a age now. I know fury might have thrown that theory out the window. Infact I hate fury! What the hell was it with that episode! She was pure energy then she was in a shuttle 7 years later????
 
Well, Kes apparently lost control of her abilities at some point after she underwent that transformation.
Also, we don't know for certain if she transformed into pure energy or just a temporary state of non-corporeal existence (the latter would sooner be the case if on-screen evidence is taken into consideration).
'String Theory' actually has a nice explanation for 'Fury' ... but since it's not canon, I think that she losing control of her abilities and getting scared as explained in the show would be a decent answer for her behavior.
What next ... well, I would surmise she would be able to eliminate aging with her abilities once she got back to Ocampa.
Also, there is a possibility that she would want to help other Ocampa learn how to utilize these abilities.
She may have returned to the Ocampan home-world, but the crew DID help Kes remember her past, so it's very questionable if she would decide to die so soon after returning home to her people and not giving them any knowledge of what she went through ... of her abilities.

Neelix's lifespan was never really mentioned on-screen to my recollection, but it's also possible that Kes's lung would last as long as he would.
After all, it was implanted by the Vidiians (whose medical science is superior to the Federation) and could have been genetically altered in the process to continue to function as long as Neelix is alive.
Then again, even if this is not so, he'd be able to find a donor at the Talaxian colony.
And had he not returned, the EMH was with the Vidiians who performed the first transplant from Kes to Neelix.
I'm pretty sure he'd be able to duplicate the procedure with a human donor.
 
We don't also know how much more advanced the Vidiian medicine really was. It was a Vidiian man who made the operation to Neelix. If he succeeded to make an Ocampa lung work in Talaxian body, it's plausible that at the same time the lung was being altered in order to function more than seven or eight years.
 
Picard has an artificial heart. Nog has an artificial leg. Tuvok has an artificial elbow. Geordi has artificial eyes now. Kirk had artificial hair. You're telling me that Neelix can't find an artificial lung or two in the exact same universe? Come one. The Emh should have been able to either replicate / build a fake set of lungs or use a dna sample from Neelix to grow a couple in a jar. He had seven years. Even if the lung(s) aged naturally, it would be old enough to implant by the end of the seventh season.
 
To nitpick, Picard's heart is a machine. So are LaForge's eyes. Nog's leg is probably "real", grown from Ferengi cells to Ferengi specs.

Neelix has a lung that is supposedly "real", although not really Talaxian. Unless the Vidiians augmented it somehow, it probably ages in a biological fashion. Then again, Picard's heart wears down like any machine. Even Borg components probably do. Nobody lives forever, even in Trek - unless one goes noncorporeal.

Timo Saloniemi
 
How does that have anything to do with the doctor being able to create an artificial lung or grow a real one from Neelix's dna? The examples I gave were to point out that artificial body parts exist in the Star Trek universe. On that basis, it only makes sense that Emh would try to remedy Neelix's medical situation in the same manner that other Starfleet doctors have cured patients with similar problems, that being missing body parts replaced by artificial ones.
 
Ah, but that's why I called it a nitpick only. And I don't think Nog's leg is artificial in any way: Bashir insists it's the real deal, at any rate.

Yes, Trek medical tech should be able to keep Neelix alive. The means might vary, though, and for the sake of further discussion the distinctions might be noted.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Hello? He was in a Talaxian colony. I'm sure he'd able to find a donor at one point...

lol true! Also whos to say kes is dead? Kes I think went past the age limit of her race. Infact I doubt she really has a age now. I know fury might have thrown that theory out the window. Infact I hate fury! What the hell was it with that episode! She was pure energy then she was in a shuttle 7 years later????

I agree. "Fury" was crap. A thin story full of flaws and contradictions. It ruined the character and shouldn't have been made.

Fortunately, the "StringTheory" books have repaired lot of the damage made to the character.

Besides that, when Kes turned to an energy being, she actually overcome the limits of that possible lifespan. If and when she's restored back to normal (by Suspiria, Q or something else) she might as well have a human lifespan and something similar.

Which is exactly what happened here : http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Kesstories.html

:)

As for Neelix, I'm sure that 24th century medical technology and knowledge will keep him alive as long as most humans.

Just look at him here: http://neelixoftheday.com/photo/f/40.jpeg

He seem to be in good shape!
 
Aside from quibbling about Neelix's artificial lung, is there any canon reference to how long Talaxians live, anyway? I don't think it was established if their lifespans were similar to humans, or if they were longer-lived like Vulcans. Anyone? -- RR
 
Aside from quibbling about Neelix's artificial lung, is there any canon reference to how long Talaxians live, anyway? I don't think it was established if their lifespans were similar to humans, or if they were longer-lived like Vulcans. Anyone? -- RR

I don't think there were any mentions about Talaxian lifespan.

Lynx - LOL @ the pic. :lol:
 
I just think that it was lucky that when kes wished herself into a state of noncoporialness, that Neelix's acquired lung didn't vanish too like the carriage in Cinderella turning into a pumpkin.

Although, once he's stuck on that colony, he might have then had access to new compatible body parts, but he loses access to the Doctor. Really, if he couldn't get it sorted when he visited the decimated Talaxian colony in Jetral, or they dropped Tom off with that convoy, it's obvious that the problem is beyond his own people.

Although maybe that's why Neelix forced "his" colony into a war as his first act as their leader? So that he could pick through the remains of the dead for anything he might find useful?

Neelix might have said how old his sister was? And he might have said how long ago she died. That could be used for soem sketchy extrapolation?
 
I just think that it was lucky that when kes wished herself into a state of noncoporialness, that Neelix's acquired lung didn't vanish too like the carriage in Cinderella turning into a pumpkin.

Although, once he's stuck on that colony, he might have then had access to new compatible body parts, but he loses access to the Doctor. Really, if he couldn't get it sorted when he visited the decimated Talaxian colony in Jetral, or they dropped Tom off with that convoy, it's obvious that the problem is beyond his own people.

Although maybe that's why Neelix forced "his" colony into a war as his first act as their leader? So that he could pick through the remains of the dead for anything he might find useful?

Neelix might have said how old his sister was? And he might have said how long ago she died. That could be used for soem sketchy extrapolation?

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I just think that it was lucky that when kes wished herself into a state of noncoporialness, that Neelix's acquired lung didn't vanish too like the carriage in Cinderella turning into a pumpkin.

If she was still psychically connected to her lung inside Neelix, when she psychically triggered her apotheosis, there could have been a problem.
Although, once he's stuck on that colony, he might have then had access to new compatible body parts, but he loses access to the Doctor.
If you can't find body parts, engineer a situation where body parts just appear. Adam did as much during the climax of the fourth seaosn of Bufy.
Really, if he couldn't get it sorted when he visited the decimated Talaxian colony in Jetral
In season one a mad scientist claimed that a WMD used years earlier to half transport the entire talaxian population of a moon into a cloud had caused a secondary blood disorder to passers by from fallout. Janeway ordered the ship to reverse course and head for talaxian space to see if Neelix's health issues could be fixed up. One would think that this would be all of his health issues, since this backtrack would have taken at least a month, and not just the ones Jetrel faked.
, or when they dropped Tom off with that convoy
Season two, Tom fakes being a dick so he can run away and be on a ship of Neelix's so that Seska will kidnap him and he can identify the spy on Voyager. IE, they were still surrounded by Talaxians all the time well into seaosn 2 and probably their organ banks too and their medical data bases, and the Doctor could consult with the local doctors who knew what they were talking about as far as Talaxians went, if it was felt that Neelix needed more lungs. Larry Hagman has four.
, it's obvious that the problem is beyond his own people or they would have already dealt to it before Macrocosm.

Although maybe that's why Neelix forced "his" colony into a war as his first act as their leader? So that he could pick through the remains of the dead for anything he might find useful?
Mostly only assholes rise to power who constantly find many opportunities to make their own lives more comfortable at the expense of the little people to patriotic to realize that they are bing used as tools of pure evil, or don't you think that the Nazi Stormtroopers thought that they were the good guys who had God on their side?
Neelix might have said how old his sister was? And he might have said how long ago she died. That could be used for some sketchy extrapolation?
I also think that the talaxian colony from Homestead said how long it took them to get that far out, and it was because of the war they fought where Neelix's sister died, that they ran away in the first place. Someone might have mentioned Neelixes Life span/expectancy in the episode where Seven used nanoprobes to bring him back from the dead... Then again the nanoprobes might have made him a new lung or corrected for the limitations of Ocampan phsysiology since they were reversing necrosis which is just the bad ass last waggle of "aging" that Seven might have been able to make Neelix 10 or 20 years younger, or eternally middle aged if she exploited this technology correctly.

From Once upon a time

NEELIX: Oh, they're far away from here. I haven't seen them in a very long time.
NAOMI: How long?
NEELIX: Many years.
NAOMI: But you haven't been on Voyager for that long.
NEELIX: True, but before that my work as a trader kept me away from home.
NAOMI: That's too bad.
From Jetrel

NEELIX: That’s a Haarkonian shuttle.
CHAKOTAY: Haarkonian?
NEELIX: My people were at war with them for the better part of a decade. They conquered my homeworld more than fifteen years ago.
CHAKOTAY: Any idea what the Haarkonians want with you now?
NEELIX: None at all.
15 to 25 years before season one, Neelix was old enough to hide when his people asked him to be a soldier.

JETREL: I am afraid that it’s fatal. The disease attacks its victims on a molecular level. It may lay dormant for years, but once it manifests itself, it will cause the body’s atomic structure to undergo fission. The cells will begin to disintegrate. My equipment is specifically designed to detect the sub-atomic signature of the disorder.
"years" as suggested is a sketcky prognosis on Neelix's life expectancy, probably without taking the new lung into account, since it wasn't a broad medical exam Jetrel was putting Neelix through.

From Jetrel

NEELIX: Well, there’s one good thing that will come from all this. When I first met you I didn’t know that your species lived only eight or nine years. I fell in love with you without knowing how lonely it would be to live without you after you’re gone. Now that I’m going to die first I don’t have to worry about it.
From Neelix's perspective, she is a shortlifer, but then we still don't know if He considers Tuvok a Short Lifer too? O! If Neelix only had 5 years left to live because of his ocampan lung winding down while not knowing that the rest of the organs in that ugly bag of mostly water thought it's idea of a good life and a fine point to kick off was merely a benchmark for a tea break at the midlife crisis interval before they began the long haul to geritricacy and senility... Tuvoks lungs, and in fact the rest of his biology would have eliminated the lung issue and anything else wrong with Neelix, that Tuvix would have lived much longer than... Although did Neelix get that space Syphilis Tuvok had in Flashback and would Tuvix have been effected by the mindwashing triggers to kill the Maquis crewmen in Repression? Oh, and Tuvix would have boned Tankgirl.
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That might help?
 
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