Neelix Lung

[hux]

So Neelix had Kes give him a lung but the life expectancy of an Ocompan is 9 years - does this not have consequences for Neelix and his own life-span

presumably, the simple solution is to say that federation (or in this case, Vidian) technology would compenste for this and result in the lung functioning adequately for the duration of Neelix's life - is that the case or is this another example of the writers forgetting their own back story (like the disappearing borg baby)

the doctor said Kes was not compatible but the Vidians cntradict this and say they have more advanced medical technology but there was no explanation for the life expectancy difference (even if they could make it so that Neelix's body would not reject the lung, it is, none the less, a lung that was designed to exist naturally for only 9 or so years)

i am aware that this is an extremely pedantic query btw but anyway......

 

[Itachi]

If you really think about it, Voyager is really a non-canon series. So when you look at it that closely like you would a series that does keep consistancies, you're gonna find a plethura of missing or contradicting stuff. Although the missing borg baby was a VERY big down slide.

However, going with your idea. I'd say that it was just more flaws of the writers.

.... i like your quote btw ^_^ lol

 

[od0_ital]

So Neelix had Kes give him a lung but the life expectancy of an Ocompan is 9 years - does this not have consequences for Neelix and his own life-span

No.

Once the Vidiians got done, it was no longer an Ocampan lung, it was simply Neelix's new lung.

Or, put another way...if I give you a kidney, and die the day after, that kidney you got from me will keep workin' - it won't die with me because you have it.

Neelix didn't develop any of Kes's abilities nor did he evolve to a higher level when she did - the lung wasn't a part of her anymore.

 

[Sean Aaron]

the doctor said Kes was not compatible but the Vidians cntradict this and say they have more advanced medical technology but there was no explanation for the life expectancy difference (even if they could make it so that Neelix's body would not reject the lung, it is, none the less, a lung that was designed to exist naturally for only 9 or so years)

i am aware that this is an extremely pedantic query btw but anyway......

Well, I figured the Vidiians had effectively re-engineered the lung - I mean they're not even the same species, let alone blood type, right?

In fact if I was either Neelix or Kes or any other alien from the Delta Quadrant, the potential inability of the Voyager crew to treat any medical conditions I might experience would be a big reason not to tag along with them.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

So Neelix had Kes give him a lung but the life expectancy of an Ocompan is 9 years - does this not have consequences for Neelix and his own life-span

No.

Once the Vidiians got done, it was no longer an Ocampan lung, it was simply Neelix's new lung.

Or, put another way...if I give you a kidney, and die the day after, that kidney you got from me will keep workin' - it won't die with me because you have it.

Neelix didn't develop any of Kes's abilities nor did he evolve to a higher level when she did - the lung wasn't a part of her anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JII4zq_3Utw






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As for canon... I really liked it when Neelix reminded Janeway in season 3's Macrocosm that he had only one lung.

 

[RoJoHen]

If you really think about it, Voyager is really a non-canon series.

Well, this is obviously wrong.

 

[Itachi]

If you really think about it, Voyager is really a non-canon series.

Well, this is obviously wrong.

Well, you obviously missed the point

 

[RoJoHen]

I've been a member here too long to bother with points.

 

[Itachi]

I've been a member here too long to bother with points.

Too bad, it might get you somewhere.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Then Ocampan Lung was was fused with junk Vulcan DNA after he was separated from Tuvok.

The facts.

In Macroscosm, Janeway says "you have fluid in your lungs" and neelix corrects her "Lung"

In Fair trade I always found Neelix turning to Drug pushing a little odd, but looking back over that script, and seeing that he got roped into this bullshit when Wixiban said that he had medicine to cure a colony dying of some sort of Lung disease. I wonder if that was targetted or a happy accident?

You would think that if Kes would will one Lung to Neelix, that she would will the other one to him if she died and there was time for a transplant, so when janeway whacked Dark Kes after the little girl all grown up time traveled back to season one, you'd have to assume that Kes from 2370 would have the permissions to dole out her olderselfs internal organs to anyone who needed them, herself included.

What about Lyndsy Ballard?

"I came back to thump the hedgehog who stole my lung."

Right.

Klingons have THREE Lungs!

B'Elanna actually has a bawl about how her child with be a mutant because it only has two lungs. That poor bastard!

How come the Doctor can talk B'Elanna into giving part of her brain to his vidian girlfriend but Neelix can't have one of her three lungs?

 

[Finn]

Nanoprobes! They are prolly still in Neelix!

 

[Gotham Central]

Not to defend the writers on the show, but there is a viable explanation for this.

1) Ocampan years are obviously longer than Terran years because Kes did not run through here nine years that quickly

2) Ocampans can also live longer than 9 years (this is another example of the writers not liking limits and simply giving themselves an out) we this fairly early on in the series. Thus there is no biological reason why the lung could not last.

3) The Vidians have super medicine that can do anything (without explanation) thus their lung transporter/replication/gene resequencer could have simply given Nelix a fake Talaxian lung.

 

[RoJoHen]

1) Ocampan years are obviously longer than Terran years because Kes did not run through here nine years that quickly

I'm not sure what this means.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She had her second birthday party in Twisted.

We saw the cake and the party.

It happened.

And we saw her die in "season 8's" Before and After as a nine year old.

Stuff happens.

Oh.

The Universal translator would have translated Ocampan years into Teran, Vulcan or Klingon years depending on who was listing to Kes.

DERETH: The rest of you are healthy. You are compatible for organ transplant.
EMH: Wait a minute. We've already considered this. Talaxian physiology is different from that of anyone else on this ship. His immune system would reject their lungs immediately.
DERETH: Your surgical knowledge is inferior. We will simply adapt his immunogenicity. It won't be a problem. Which of you will donate a lung?
KES: Me.

Bah humbug.

 

[hux]

Thanks for the replies

I guess the easiest explanation is to say that the Vidians had magic bean technology that fixed everything - it would have been nice if there had been some dialogue to support this though - something along the lines of "the lung will take on Talaxian genetic blah blah blah and last just as long as he lives because our technology is double rainbow awesome"

There was also no mention of the health implications for Kes - surely her 9 years would have been somewhat reduced as a result of the transplant as well

obviously had seven been on board at that time they could have simply nano-technologeed the problem away

any way....

.... i like your quote btw ^_^ lol

thanks love

 

[Deks]

why do people automatically default to non-sensical terms such as 'magic' or ridicule the situation from the get go?
Vidiians obviously had a much more developed medical knowledge... although to be honest, I was surprised that it was implied Federation medicine was inadequate for the job (given all of their abilities).

Anyway... simple matter would be that the Vidiians likely not just adapted the immune system, but they HAD to make some alterations to the lung on a genetic or subatomic level to manipulate it into being compatible with Neelix's unique physiology... and as such the Ocampa's life span wouldn't really matter in this instance.

 

[Sean Aaron]

Anyway... simple matter would be that the Vidiians likely not just adapted the immune system, but they HAD to make some alterations to the lung on a genetic or subatomic level to manipulate it into being compatible with Neelix's unique physiology... and as such the Ocampa's life span wouldn't really matter in this instance.

I don't think that's even necessary. For all we know the only organ that fails in old Ocampa is the brain. They might sell the organs of their dead on the open market!

 

[Guy Gardener]

The nanoprode therapy he got after Mortal coil probably added years to the little bastard.

 

[Ln X]

Anyway... simple matter would be that the Vidiians likely not just adapted the immune system, but they HAD to make some alterations to the lung on a genetic or subatomic level to manipulate it into being compatible with Neelix's unique physiology... and as such the Ocampa's life span wouldn't really matter in this instance.

I don't think that's even necessary. For all we know the only organ that fails in old Ocampa is the brain. They might sell the organs of their dead on the open market!

Good point Neelix (aka Janeway's pet Talaxian rodent) is breathing with Kes' lung, and Ocampa only live for nine years. So does the lung function for nine years?

 

[JB2005]

Anyway... simple matter would be that the Vidiians likely not just adapted the immune system, but they HAD to make some alterations to the lung on a genetic or subatomic level to manipulate it into being compatible with Neelix's unique physiology... and as such the Ocampa's life span wouldn't really matter in this instance.

I don't think that's even necessary. For all we know the only organ that fails in old Ocampa is the brain. They might sell the organs of their dead on the open market!

Data: Man walks into the Ocampa's shop and says I'd like a pound of kiddleys please...