NCC -1701 (TOS).....

[David cgc]

It's a subtle difference, but I don't think the Set Tour would hold up the same way even the ENT Defiant sets did. The Set Tour's focus is on authenticity, whereas a recreation for filming (like the Defiant) would be more about capturing the vibe. Stuff like more modern choices in materials and finishes, the big screens around the bridge being actual lit monitors and not posters, the way the stage lighting is set up. The same thing, to a much lesser extent, happened with the PIC Enterprise-D bridge, and it probably wouldn't have looked acceptable if it had been an absolutely perfect replica. You can certainly spot seams in TNG-R.

Now, maybe the Set Tour people wouldn't mind having all their exhibits gutted, repainted, filled with metallic details and wired with dozens of actual live computer screens, but I don't know. I really don't think any major, pre-Discovery-style TOS-ification would happen in SNW unless it was something very off-the-wall and conceptual, like cross-cutting between Anson Mount and Paul Wesley on the SNW sets and deep-faked Jeffrey Hunter and William Shatner on the Set Tour sets in the same scene (or even just one long morph or cross-fade, like when that episode of Doctor Who transitioned from actual 1960s footage a modern recreation). Even that, though, wouldn't necessarily involve the New York sets, since if you were visually plugging one show directly into the other, you'd be matching the look of WNMHGB, not the look from the main series.

 

[Tallguy]

You saw the 6 foot model you dumb bastards.

Ooooooh, so close. (11 foot. And a smidge.)

 

[BillJ]

Jaws will drop when the last episode introduces: The Phase II Enterprise.

An imaginative thought from the Kurtzman posse? Never happen.

 

[Tallguy]

An imaginative thought from the Kurtzman posse? Never happen.

They imagined how to make Chapel a watchable character.

 

[Citiprime]

You guys do know they'll probably give the SNW Enterprise a magic refit in the last episode and have a final scene on the Official Set Tour bridge, right? After everyone went mad over the Enterprise-D in Picard it's got to be an idea they're floating about.

Silly as it is.

I would love it if it happened, but I doubt it.

Akiva Goldsman's entire attitude about the Gorn in interviews tells me he doesn't care at all about anything matching either aesthetically or with plot continuity to TOS.

And since he's one of SNW's showrunners, I just don't see it happening.

 

[BillJ]

They imagined how to make Chapel a watchable character.

As much as I love TOS, was that really that hard? Get someone who isn't the mistress of the showrunner and give her some interesting dialogue.

 

[Lord Garth]

I would love it if it happened, but I doubt it.

Akiva Goldsman's entire attitude about the Gorn in interviews tells me he doesn't care at all about anything matching either aesthetically or with plot continuity to TOS.

And since he's one of SNW's showrunners, I just don't see it happening.

This right here is why I think they should be calling SNW a reboot instead of a prequel. I wonder if there's a mandate from Up Above that they can't call it a reboot?

It was easier for me to ignore during the first two seasons of DSC, because it was a different ship with mostly different characters.

 

[fireproof78]

While I have no doubt that Goldman's attitude is partially shaping the direction, the desire to please the fanbase is more strong. Whether or not someone cares about matching has little to do with the fact that if someone from above says "Match it." then they will.

Now, I don't know if it will happen. Quite frankly if it does it will only empower the trend towards repeating the past rather than working on something new. But, the idea that will never happen is something I just don't buy in to because of the strong reaction to Picard Season 3 and the increasing need to please the fans less they turn on the production.

 

[BillJ]

While I have no doubt that Goldman's attitude is partially shaping the direction, the desire to please the fanbase is more strong. Whether or not someone cares about matching has little to do with the fact that if someone from above says "Match it." then they will.

Now, I don't know if it will happen. Quite frankly if it does it will only empower the trend towards repeating the past rather than working on something new. But, the idea that will never happen is something I just don't buy in to because of the strong reaction to Picard Season 3 and the increasing need to please the fans less they turn on the production.

What is so hard about giving fans something new while doing everything exactly as it was done before?!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The Three Body Problem is about Earth learning that aliens from the Alpha Centauri system is going to arrive in a few centuries using sub light drives. But using two quantum entangled supercomputer containing protons they have real time communication with allies on Earth and have compromised our communication networks, understanding of physics, and know everything we do and say. It's a bit grim.

Doh!

Is the Smithsonian model 11 foot long?

That’s huge!

 

[Tallguy]

Doh!

Is the Smithsonian model 11 foot long?

That’s huge!

Yeah, I always chuckle when I hear people (Robert Wise!) talk about how small and cheap the Enterprise model was on TOS. Not counting the massive Enterprise-D saucer they built for Generations it's still the largest Enterprise ever built for filming.

What is so hard about giving fans something new while doing everything exactly as it was done before?!

That's the real trick, isn't it?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Yeah, I always chuckle when I hear people (Robert Wise!) talk about how small and cheap the Enterprise model was on TOS. Not counting the massive Enterprise-D saucer they built for Generations it's still the largest Enterprise ever built for filming.

Why did I have 6 foot in my head? Was the D model from TNG a six footer or have I just totally dreamed it?

 

[BillJ]

Why did I have 6 foot in my head? Was the D model from TNG a six footer or have I just totally dreamed it?

I think there was a six-foot and a four-foot model for TNG. Then one was built for season four, I forget what size it was.

 

[Tallguy]

I think there was a six-foot and a four-foot model for TNG. Then one was built for season four, I forget what size it was.

Four feet, as it happens.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I think there was a six-foot and a four-foot model for TNG. Then one was built for season four, I forget what size it was.

That’s it!

11 foot, though.

Fucking Hell.

I’ve watched loads of videos about it, most recently Adam Savage getting up close and personal with the model, but I’ve never really taken in the actual size of it.

11 foot is just under two of me directly on top of each other.

It’s huge!

Sorry. Revelatory epiphany.

 

[David cgc]

It was easier for me to ignore during the first two seasons of DSC, because it was a different ship with mostly different characters.

Judging by the fact that Fuller specifically requested that the direct cross-over between TOS and DSC happen in a book where everyone could just imagine how things looked, I think that was part of his clever plan for how to get away with having a totally different visual sensibility. If you wanted to imagine TOS as being more modern, you could, if you wanted to imagine TOS and DSC existing as they are in parallel and just having superficial, stylistic differences in equipment and uniforms that would be worth no more consternation in-universe than seeing a Cybertruck, a Prius, and a golfcart next to each other in the real world, that'd be fine too.

Unfortunately, Discovery ended up having more parents than Jim Holden, so that theory didn't hold up for even a full season.

I think there was a six-foot and a four-foot model for TNG. Then one was built for season four, I forget what size it was.

Close. Six- and two-foot-long models were built for TNG initially (with the little one being used for distant shots like jumps to warp or flying towards the TSFS spacedock), with the four-foot model built to supersede the six-footer in season 4.

 

[Tallguy]

Unfortunately, Discovery ended up having more parents than Jim Holden, so that theory didn't hold up for even a full season.

Kachow!

 

[Mudd]

You guys do know they'll probably give the SNW Enterprise a magic refit in the last episode and have a final scene on the Official Set Tour bridge, right? After everyone went mad over the Enterprise-D in Picard it's got to be an idea they're floating about.

Silly as it is.

It's a subtle difference, but I don't think the Set Tour would hold up the same way even the ENT Defiant sets did. The Set Tour's focus is on authenticity, whereas a recreation for filming (like the Defiant) would be more about capturing the vibe. Stuff like more modern choices in materials and finishes, the big screens around the bridge being actual lit monitors and not posters, the way the stage lighting is set up. The same thing, to a much lesser extent, happened with the PIC Enterprise-D bridge, and it probably wouldn't have looked acceptable if it had been an absolutely perfect replica. You can certainly spot seams in TNG-R.

Now, maybe the Set Tour people wouldn't mind having all their exhibits gutted, repainted, filled with metallic details and wired with dozens of actual live computer screens, but I don't know. I really don't think any major, pre-Discovery-style TOS-ification would happen in SNW unless it was something very off-the-wall and conceptual, like cross-cutting between Anson Mount and Paul Wesley on the SNW sets and deep-faked Jeffrey Hunter and William Shatner on the Set Tour sets in the same scene (or even just one long morph or cross-fade, like when that episode of Doctor Who transitioned from actual 1960s footage a modern recreation). Even that, though, wouldn't necessarily involve the New York sets, since if you were visually plugging one show directly into the other, you'd be matching the look of WNMHGB, not the look from the main series.

What you might see, if this scene ever were to occur on SNW, would be the ship in drydock in some state of disassembly suggesting that if a new Kirk/Spock show were ever made that the ship would be refit in some indeterminate fashion. And then, on the bridge, some little touches and changes of graphics that echo aspects of the TOS set that haven't already been incorporated into the SNW design - although, honestly, there are so many callbacks in there already I can't quite envision what more they can do. I mean, they're using goddamn Burke pedestal chairs.

 

[HotRod]

I just don't buy in to because of the strong reaction to Picard Season 3 and the increasing need to please the fans less they turn on the production.

But didn't SNW season 2 do better in the ratings than Picard season 3, without having to beat the audience over the head with nostalgia?

Seems to me that SNW has a winning formula and doesn't need to copy the tactics of Picard S3.

 

[Tallguy]

But didn't SNW season 2 do better in the ratings than Picard season 3, without having to beat the audience over the head with nostalgia?

Seems to me that SNW has a winning formula and doesn't need to copy the tactics of Picard S3.

I don't follow these things. Did it? I loved almost all of SNW S2 and I didn't love much of PIC 3.