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NBC's Awake premieres March 1

I doubt I missed very much--this show seemed to be set up as a procedural for most weeks--there probably wasn't a lot revealed that was relevant that I missed. Besides I watched all of Heroes and BSG and LOST and Life on Mars they *ultimately* sucked when it came to piecing together a coherent logical and satisfying Mystery Arc--so watching the whole damn thing doesn't necessarily improve a show.

To me this show just smacked of being the type of series that tries to pass itself off as being some deep meditative philosophical cornucopia but sadly is just another pretentious bore where the writers have zero clue what they are doing and use the convenient cop-out that "we left it open-ended to foster debate and let the audience make of it what they will".

Going into Awake, there's only a finite number of rational explanations. It's ultimately not about the 'mystery' of why the main character is experiencing two worlds. It's more about the emotional toll that the character would take in this situation.

While the show does have a couple of standalone procedural episodes, there are quite a few that are outstanding and worth watching, just for the acting.

If cut into a miniseries, I would keep
episodes 1, 3(Rex), 5(Gemini), 6(Penguin), 11(Carnival), 12, 13.
They explore the duality of Brit's universe.
 
Acting is but one facet of entertainment--whether I find something entertaining or not depends on other things--writing, plotting, originality. I find that a lot of shows have a hard time synthesizing all the elements and as a result are ultimately a mixed bag. Awake may have had the best acting in the world but if the story-side is weak or not very fresh I really don't care frankly.

And I can't stand the argument by fans and producers of shows that it is about the characters or the emotion not the mystery--if you weave an ongoing mystery into a show personally I think you have an obligation to provide a concrete, satisfying answer. If you don't want to then don't include the mystery. Frankly I'm over these type of faux psychological spiritual mumbo jumbo farces that are far too excessive and are pretty much just a jumble of half-realized ideas or imagery that writers think are "deep".
 
Acting is but one facet of entertainment--whether I find something entertaining or not depends on other things--writing, plotting, originality. I find that a lot of shows have a hard time synthesizing all the elements and as a result are ultimately a mixed bag. Awake may have had the best acting in the world but if the story-side is weak or not very fresh I really don't care frankly.

And I can't stand the argument by fans and producers of shows that it is about the characters or the emotion not the mystery--if you weave an ongoing mystery into a show personally I think you have an obligation to provide a concrete, satisfying answer. If you don't want to then don't include the mystery. Frankly I'm over these type of faux psychological spiritual mumbo jumbo farces that are far too excessive and are pretty much just a jumble of half-realized ideas or imagery that writers think are "deep".

The thing is there isn't much of a mystery. It's not the way the show is advertised or emphasized. There's only a handful of possible reason for why Britten is experiencing two worlds.
1) One or both worlds is a dream/illusion.
2) Through outside influence (alien/science experiment/freak chance)

As the series went on, there's been no sign of outside influence. Both Psychiatrists are convinced that Michael is experiencing delusions/dreams. The show isn't about "What is the Island?" (Lost had a weak ending.) or "Who killed Laura Palmer." or even "Is this a coma, did I die, or really get transported through time?"

In all the interviews since the first episode was released, Killen has said that Awake isn't about a mystery, but about what a man would do in this circumstance.

I think it's hard to form an informed from just watching the Pilot and the Finale. If you decide to watch the episodes I listed, you might have a more favourable opinion.
 

I was a bit confused at the end of the finale, and this interview didn't help.

Yeah, Britten ended one universe/dream (I never did get the colors right). But it looked like he ended the other universe/dream--he talked about changing the rules, revealing that this other universe was also a dream. And then created the universe he wanted, where both Rex and Hannah lived.

In this new universe of his, we have no idea what's going on. Was there a Westfield, an accident, etc? And what is actually going on in the REAL, awake world? When is he dreaming all this, in the microseconds of the accident?
 
In all the interviews since the first episode was released, Killen has said that Awake isn't about a mystery, but about what a man would do in this circumstance.
You shouldn't have to read supplemental material--if I don't read the interview how am I suppose to know that from just watching the show. Far too many shows these days rely on Q&As, interviews, graphic comics, podcasts etc to clarify stuff the writer should have done within the show itself.
I think it's hard to form an informed from just watching the Pilot and the Finale. If you decide to watch the episodes I listed, you might have a more favourable opinion.
Nah I think I'll pass--the series was canned, the pilot and finale did nothing for me so I'm not wasting my time on catching up--I've unfortunately been burned too many times by thinking a show is working up to being something better than what it appeared at first blush. And to be fair I did point out the fact that I hadn't watched the entire show when I posted about the finale.
 
I'm just saying that neither the show nor the supplementary materials hinted that there's a mystery (of why he's experiencing two realities) to be solved.

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I think it's a worthwhile series to watch. There's more merit to watching it over most other television shows. So if you have time, I'd recommend it.
 
In all the interviews since the first episode was released, Killen has said that Awake isn't about a mystery, but about what a man would do in this circumstance.
You shouldn't have to read supplemental material--if I don't read the interview how am I suppose to know that from just watching the show.

In this specific circumstance, maybe if you just watched the SHOW. But, then, it's easier to generalize.

Far too many shows these days rely on Q&As, interviews, graphic comics, podcasts etc to clarify stuff the writer should have done within the show itself.

Like? Most of the extra stuff have been exactly that: extra and not needed to fully understand a show.
 
Well I just saw the finale, and now I'm not so disappointed that this show is cancelled. :rommie: WTF, so both realities were just a dream? Where could the show possibly go from there that wouldn't just be annoying wheel-spinning?

My immediate impression was that the ending was changed from whatever the original was, after it became obvious that the show would not be renewed to give the audience some closure. And the writing was on the wall after the premiere's anemic ratings came in, so it's not like they didn't have plenty advance notice. But Killen denies that happened in the interview.

The idea that the green world was real is contradicted by the ending, in which the wife was alive. Either the ending shows an unreal world, or the green world was just as fake as the red. In either case, I dunno...I think if the series had continued, they'd written themselves into a corner with this finale. They could have invented some excuse to continue - the "real" world at the end wasn't real after all - but at that point, it's all just babble.

Maintaining the audience's good will while playing a shell game with realities is a very delicate trick, and ironically the series ended at exactly the right time, when it became obvious that the trick could not be maintained. The babbly nature of that interview strongly suggests that Killen didn't have it figured out in his own mind, which is a very bad sign for the show continuing in any sensible way.

The latter part of the interview about whether sf/f shows can survive on broadcast, is more interesting:

I would say this season's canary in the coal mine is going to be the "Last Resort" show on ABC.
That wouldn't be a fair test at all. That show is handicapped by the fact that it's a male-skewing military show on a female-skewing network, and it has hellacious competition for the male audience in its timeslot. I do expect it to flop pretty hard, but that's not an indictment of the sf/f genre on network TV.

OTOH, 666 Park Ave will probably do great. It's more compatible with ABC's demo and it has a good lead-in and a less competitive timeslot. Terry O'Quinn and Vanessa Williams have big enough fanbases that they'll draw some eyeballs too.
I think NBC jumped in pretty quickly, early, to assure people that "Smash" was going to be around, and I think that helped people hold on.

Well, no, the ratings continued to fall over the season, with some bottoming out near the end and (most damningly) no finale bump. You can see the progressive erosion here. I don't think viewers actually pay attention to what the suits say. They pay attention to whether they are enjoying what they are seeing.

The reason Smash survived is because it's Greenblatt's pet show and he's desperate for some sign that he's on the right track to turning NBC around. I'll give it a fair shot next year, but I'm highly skeptical that what that show needs is a showrunner from the CW. It's just as likely that it will come back worse.
 
In all the interviews since the first episode was released, Killen has said that Awake isn't about a mystery, but about what a man would do in this circumstance.
You shouldn't have to read supplemental material--if I don't read the interview how am I suppose to know that from just watching the show.

In this case, all the interview tells you is that Killan didn't have a plan for the show. I enjoyed what I saw, until the final few minutes of the last episode, and if the show was going to become idiotic babble after that point, then great! Because it will never exist. I got maximum value out of what did exist, and the whole thing went away before it started to annoy me. I wish all shows would be so considerate. :)

Killan is an interesting guy with daring ideas. When he comes up with something new, I'll be sure to pay attention.
I'm just saying that neither the show nor the supplementary materials hinted that there's a mystery (of why he's experiencing two realities) to be solved.
The show's very existence hinted that the mystery would be solved, because that's the usual expectations of people watching any show, or movie, or reading a book. And when you screw an audience over, they get mad.

Personally, I just watch shows on a day to day basis. Am I enjoying what I'm seeing right now? If so, I continue. If not, sayonara. Other people have different expectations. It's perfectly reasonably to expect that a mystery that is posed will be solved, or at least given some form of resolution, even if it leaves some things open to interpretation.

Another interview. Wow, we really dodged a bullet. Next season would have delved into a lot of soapy nonsense.

A lot of the second season would have been spent exploring this idea that he gets romantically involved with the Tara character [Rex's tennis coach], who ultimately we weren't able to get to or use in the shortened 13-episode first season. But he begins a relationship in the Green World but still has his wife in the other world. Those were the things we were interested in, a man trying to do two things simultaneously, treating them both as if they were real but having them both be directly contradictory. You either still married or you're not. We needed to preserve the element that they were both equally valid as the real world for a lot of those stories to remain interesting.
I forgot the tennis coach even existed! :rommie:

Also, Killen isn't a very good showrunner if he can't control the perceptions of the audience better than this:

The one thing I will say the finale absolutely positively is not—like not even open to interpretation—just is not, is any form of, "It was all a dream. Britten woke up, there was no accident, his wife and his son were fine. Nothing that you experienced throughout the season ever happened." That's just absolutely, fundamentally, factually incorrect. It's disappointing to see people react negatively to that interpretation when I feel like we really tried to safeguard [against it].
Well no, the final scene really did give the impression that it was the real world (if for no other reason than, the color scheme was finally "real"), which means the most likely explanation for the whole series is that Britten was just having a very complicated nightmare about his family and various co-workers, who are not murderous conspirators.

There was no drug conspiracy. There was no accident.
Just too much pizza the night before. If you leave things open to interpretation, the most likely interpretation is, whatever is simplest. Occam's Razor and all that.

If Killen wanted to give a different impression, he needed to write or film the scene differently. He did not succeed in his stated intent.
 
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Well, at least Kring's flash in the pan lasted longer with Heroes. Awake will always be one of those "what might have been" shows to me. Still loved the concept and was fairly satisfied by the truncated execution.
 
I don't think the final scene was reality--it was his new dream world. C'mon, one dream ends, the other collapses in front of him, when the shrink freezes, the door opens, and his bedroom is on the other side. He was just "saying" he wanted to change the rules and presto! New dream with both alive.

Maybe the real reality was that BOTH Rex and Hannah died.
 
I don't think the final scene was reality--it was his new dream world. C'mon, one dream ends, the other collapses in front of him, when the shrink freezes, the door opens, and his bedroom is on the other side. He was just "saying" he wanted to change the rules and presto! New dream with both alive.

Maybe the real reality was that BOTH Rex and Hannah died.

Over the last few episodes it seemed, at least to me, that the most plausible explanations were that Britten was dying or in a coma OR that both of them died and he was having a psychotic episode.

But then they had to go and change the color scheme.

And then they admitted that they just didn't care enough to ensure that they knew which of the one/two/three realities was real. Not inspiring.
 
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