Uh huh. Right.
I think the man was asking an honest question.
I assume your talking about the flagrant foul on Nash?
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I think the man was asking an honest question.
I assume your talking about the flagrant foul on Nash?
Uh huh. Right.
I think the man was asking an honest question.
I, however, do not.
Naturally.
Jesus, dude. No need to be so belligerent. I honestly don't remember this flagrant foul either. I also have no horse in this race, my team sucks. I just don't remember anything and don't really understand why you feel the need to keep things vague.
I wasn't trying to be belligerent. I honestly got a "I know what you're talking about but I'm going to pretend I don't because it's my team and they rock" vibe, which is why I responded the way I did.
I wasn't intentionally being vague. I think my comment above explains my mindset in this exchange.
I know, awesome isn't it? Good riddance, Spurs!
So.... what was the flagrant foul?
The media loves to compare LeBron James to Michael Jordan, but MJ never crapped the bed like this. Especially not in the Playoffs.
"But LeBron's shoulder is hurt," some may protest.
Kevin McHale played the 1987 Playoffs with a broken foot, and the Celtics went to the Finals. Isiah Thomas set an NBA Finals record for points in a quarter playing on a sprained ankle in 1988. Larry Bird had his Willis Reed moment in the '91 Playoffs, when he played with an injured back and willed the Celtics to a first-round victory. Jordan played the 1993 Playoffs with an injured wrist and won a 3rd straight championship. And who could forget the Flu Game?
LeBron may have supreme talent and supreme arrogance, but he doesn't have supreme will. He's skilled enough to become some kind of freakish Bird/Magic/Jordan amalgam. But right now he's reminding me more of Derrick Coleman.
"But LeBron's shoulder is hurt," some may protest.
Kevin McHale played the 1987 Playoffs with a broken foot, and the Celtics went to the Finals. Isiah Thomas set an NBA Finals record for points in a quarter playing on a sprained ankle in 1988. Larry Bird had his Willis Reed moment in the '91 Playoffs, when he played with an injured back and willed the Celtics to a first-round victory. Jordan played the 1993 Playoffs with an injured wrist and won a 3rd straight championship. And who could forget the Flu Game?
LeBron may have supreme talent and supreme arrogance, but he doesn't have supreme will. He's skilled enough to become some kind of freakish Bird/Magic/Jordan amalgam. But right now he's reminding me more of Derrick Coleman.
#1.) it's his elbow, and I can see where that will affect a person's shot. Still, I hate hearing that excuse from fans, because he's still turned in some tremendous games the last half of the season. For his part, LeBron won't have any part of using the injury as an excuse.
#2.) I don't really see any kind of "arrogance" on his part. Certainly not when he consistently has had to carry the Cavs. Doesn't mean he's always been on his best behavior, of course. But I'd hardly call it arrogant.
#3.) The media waaaay overplay the comparisons with MJ. They did it with Kobe and others before this. It's silly to keep that up, because I seriously doubt there will EVER be the combination of talent and drive and as you put it "will" as Jordan brought to the game.
#4.) The only thing that is a problem here is the way he seemed to mentally check out so early. Staring up at the ceiling, heading off to the corner, etc. He's the leader of this team, and they feed off his energy. If he's not in the game mentally, for right or wrong few of his teammates will be. THAT's the cardinal sin here. Unfortunately it is the most damning one to have.
I know the series is technically not over, but when the leader won't be aggressive - he still could have done that and made the difference - I can't see this team being able to pull off game 6 in such a tough environment as Boston. There's no dissing of the Celtics intended here. They played with intensity and heart such as I never saw all season long. But when they were something like the 24th best rebounding teak and the Cavs were the #1... and the Celtics still outrebound them by 10?!?!?! Every single butt on that team needs to be kicked twice.
Derick Coleman was a talented prima donna and malcontent for almost his entire career. LeBron is nowhere near that. But then if - maybe when - they lose this series, the reasons won't really matter. There will be a mutiny on the Cavs as a column in the Plain Dealer implied this morning. And while that's a total team effort, THAT we can largely lay on LeBron's doorstep.
As to the injury to Nash, I didn't see that game. Too late and I had to work early the next day. Yet all the reports I read seemed to think it was inadvertent. There probably are others in Phoenix and places near by which might feel differently. I haven't even seen a replay of that, so I can't say one way or the other.
The reason I originally said "this oughta be good" was because so often comments like you made seem more out of "sports hate", which is based as much on personal bias as anything concrete. Believe me, I used to be that way about the Chicago Bulls.
#2.) I don't really see any kind of "arrogance" on his part. Certainly not when he consistently has had to carry the Cavs. Doesn't mean he's always been on his best behavior, of course. But I'd hardly call it arrogant.
#3.) The media waaaay overplay the comparisons with MJ. They did it with Kobe and others before this. It's silly to keep that up, because I seriously doubt there will EVER be the combination of talent and drive and as you put it "will" as Jordan brought to the game.
#4.) The only thing that is a problem here is the way he seemed to mentally check out so early. Staring up at the ceiling, heading off to the corner, etc. He's the leader of this team, and they feed off his energy. If he's not in the game mentally, for right or wrong few of his teammates will be. THAT's the cardinal sin here. Unfortunately it is the most damning one to have.
I know the series is technically not over, but when the leader won't be aggressive - he still could have done that and made the difference - I can't see this team being able to pull off game 6 in such a tough environment as Boston. There's no dissing of the Celtics intended here. They played with intensity and heart such as I never saw all season long. But when they were something like the 24th best rebounding teak and the Cavs were the #1... and the Celtics still outrebound them by 10?!?!?! Every single butt on that team needs to be kicked twice.
Derick Coleman was a talented prima donna and malcontent for almost his entire career. LeBron is nowhere near that. But then if - maybe when - they lose this series, the reasons won't really matter. There will be a mutiny on the Cavs as a column in the Plain Dealer implied this morning. And while that's a total team effort, THAT we can largely lay on LeBron's doorstep.
Nope, they weren't trying one whit. From LeBron on down, they just hung it up. That's why I don't expect much difference in the result tomorrow night.
Digits has it right. It was an honest question. I've never been a Robert Horry fan, so I don't honestly recall what other incident he could have cause to earn your wrath, Chaos. I know he did something, but it was a few years ago, wasn't it? Long enough that I can't honestly recall what it was he did.Uh huh. Right.
I think the man was asking an honest question.
I, however, do not.
Naturally.
As to the injury to Nash, I didn't see that game. Too late and I had to work early the next day. Yet all the reports I read seemed to think it was inadvertent. There probably are others in Phoenix and places near by which might feel differently. I haven't even seen a replay of that, so I can't say one way or the other.
The reason I originally said "this oughta be good" was because so often comments like you made seem more out of "sports hate", which is based as much on personal bias as anything concrete. Believe me, I used to be that way about the Chicago Bulls.
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The Derrick Coleman comparison was hyperbole. But you nailed it when you said that he mentally checked out. That's it exactly. Great players don't ever do that.
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The issue was that two Suns players were suspended for leaving the bench, and I think Nash was injured and did not play the next game (Horry was also suspended). So basically the flagrant foul cost Phoenix 3 players, and San Antonio 1.
The issue was that two Suns players were suspended for leaving the bench, and I think Nash was injured and did not play the next game (Horry was also suspended). So basically the flagrant foul cost Phoenix 3 players, and San Antonio 1.
I've been watching the Celtics on and off throughout this season, and I can tell you this, since the second half of the year, they've been plagued by stinkers at home.
Love them, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cavs win Game 6. Hope to be proven wrong...
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Lebron James wasn't even trying, that was the shocking part. Players have bad games, but they're usually trying and giving effort and its just their shot doesn't fall. That's not really what was happening last night. He would just wander around outside the key. Cleveland papers reporting that he wasn't paying attention during huddles, isn't doing his usual pre-game routines. In-game he doesn't even bother trying to drive.
The mentality was so opposite of a killer-MVP that people are sprouting conspiracy theories. Seriously, was he high on painkillers or something? Did he throw the game for gambling purposes or to have an easy excuse to leave Cleveland? His nonchalant attitude... it's all really mystifying.
The mentality was so opposite of a killer-MVP that people are sprouting conspiracy theories. Seriously, was he high on painkillers or something? Did he throw the game for gambling purposes or to have an easy excuse to leave Cleveland? His nonchalant attitude... it's all really mystifying.
It's easy: LeBron thinks they can win two if he just "turns it on".
Either that or he just doesn't care, and will wait until next year on a different team...
Either that or he just doesn't care, and will wait until next year on a different team...
That series was a huge piece of fodder for the "David Stern rigs the game" conspiracy theorists. All series the Spurs were uber-physical, just beating the Suns up, and the refs just looked the other way. That created the climate which emboldened Robert Horry to hip-check Nash like that, thus instigating the melee. If the refs protected the Suns stars half as well as they protected Dwayne Wade in the '06 Finals, Phoenix might've broken through that year. That series, along with the '06 Finals and Game 6 of the '02 Western Finals, were times I think the officials colluded to call the games in a way that favored one team over another.
I don't know about the others, but as a Die Hard Lakers fan, even I thought game 6 in 2002 was ridiculous. They must have called 20 fouls on Sacramento in the final quarter.
That was an epic series, though.
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