Narada

[Pegasus]

The Narada is an intersting puzzle in as far as cannon is concerned. For the movie, and the prequel comics it fits that the ship is a combination of the Romulan mining vessel and Borg enhancements from Borg wreckage from a Romulan-Borg conflict. The modifiactions made at a secret R&D base called the Forge.
As improbable as it may sound, it is possible for most of this to have happened in the prime timeline, (TOS to Nemesis). Think about it, the Romulans dominate the Beta quadrant which borders on the Delta quadrant, so the possiblity of Romulans claiming Borg debris including a few drones. The Romulans, (like the Voyager EMH) would cut open a nanoprobe and reprogramme it to do whatever they wanted. The comics suggested it could fire while cloaked, like the Sctimiar, so it obviously would share the Sctimiar's cloaking device, (which most likely was a Tal Shair prototype).
It is just possble that the Romulans do have a secret R&D bases deep in Romulan territory given their suspiousness and the Sctimiar was not built on Remus, as it would have been too obvious even for the Romulans to miss. theuy would call it the Forge after the forge Surak crossed back on Vulcan as a cover word, and because the Romulans would try to use the vessel to attack and conguer Vulcan.

Instead of a mining vessel though, they would use an old D'deridex class warbird.
Imagine a Borg/ Narada style modfied warbird flanked by tow sctimiar class ships on either side decloaking in orbit of Vulcan.

 

[Brainiac]

The Narada is an intersting puzzle in as far as cannon is concerned. For the movie, and the prequel comics it fits that the ship is a combination of the Romulan mining vessel and Borg enhancements from Borg wreckage from a Romulan-Borg conflict. The modifiactions made at a secret R&D base called the Forge.
As improbable as it may sound, it is possible for most of this to have happened in the prime timeline, (TOS to Nemesis). Think about it, the Romulans dominate the Beta quadrant which borders on the Delta quadrant, so the possiblity of Romulans claiming Borg debris including a few drones. The Romulans, (like the Voyager EMH) would cut open a nanoprobe and reprogramme it to do whatever they wanted. The comics suggested it could fire while cloaked, like the Sctimiar, so it obviously would share the Sctimiar's cloaking device, (which most likely was a Tal Shair prototype).
It is just possble that the Romulans do have a secret R&D bases deep in Romulan territory given their suspiousness and the Sctimiar was not built on Remus, as it would have been too obvious even for the Romulans to miss. theuy would call it the Forge after the forge Surak crossed back on Vulcan as a cover word, and because the Romulans would try to use the vessel to attack and conguer Vulcan.

Instead of a mining vessel though, they would use an old D'deridex class warbird.
Imagine a Borg/ Narada style modfied warbird flanked by tow sctimiar class ships on either side decloaking in orbit of Vulcan.

Everything you write makes perfect sense and could fit into the official canon, as far as I can tell.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Instead of a mining vessel though, they would use an old D'deridex class warbird.
Imagine a Borg/ Narada style modfied warbird flanked by tow sctimiar class ships on either side decloaking in orbit of Vulcan.

True. And i'm sure that the Romulans back in the 24th century did modify their other warbirds.

Nero's ship was just the first and as the commander of the Forge said a good candidate for a prototype to test the technology.
I guess if it doesn't work, it's better to lose a mining ship than a warship in these difficult times.

Or maybe it doesn't even matter what vessel you apply the technology to. The nanoprobes transform it to a super weapon anyway.

 

[miraclefan]

^Correct!

 

[DontFeedPhil]

Is this all speculation? Or real plots?

 

[SalvorHardin]

Is this all speculation? Or real plots?

The part about a secret Romulan facility, the adapted to Romulan designs Borg technology, the Borg modified Narada are all real plots from the Countdown comics.

The rest is speculation.

 

[Pegasus]

Salvor Hardin, the Voyager EMH and 7 of 9 showed that the Borg nanoprobes could be reprogrammed to do anything during Voyagers run: raise the dead Neelix, deactivate a sentient missile, create an advanced Borg incubation chamber and advanced Borg, kill or disable Species 8472. Nanoprobes are the Star Trek swiss army knife, not just for creating weapons.

Is this all speculation? Or real plots?

As Salvor Hardin said it's a mixture. There are somethings in the new movie which are, (in my opinion) good enouh to be translated into canon of the prime timeline, (ie: Modified Spaceflight Chronology to Nemesis, NOT ENTERPRISE). The Kelvin, Narada, (but as an Borg nano probe modified old D'deridex class warbird not a mining vessel), and Kirk's academy days, (because to be honest who didn't expect him to have, 'gone green' while being there?). And this Forge place developing a D'deridex/Narada class ship would make an interesting Romulan based fanfiction. Which might be written to provide a canon Star Trek 11, without the timetravel but still be a sequel to TNG's: Reunification as the movie was supposed to be, featuring someone very familair to TNG fans. Anyone interested?

 

[SalvorHardin]

Which might be written to provide a canon Star Trek 11, without the timetravel but still be a sequel to TNG's: Reunification as the movie was supposed to be, featuring someone very familair to TNG fans. Anyone interested?

I wouldn't mind seeing an animated movie made of something like this.Or a direct adaptation of Countdown into an animated movie.
A live action movie ? Not really...

I prefer the direction the current Star Trek movie is going.

 

[The Academic]

I wouldn't mind seeing an animated movie made of something like this. Or a direct adaptation of Countdown into an animated movie.
A live action movie? Not really...

I prefer the direction the current Star Trek movie is going.

Why do the studios behind the Star Trek franchise have such an apparent aversion against animated or CG movies? Every other bigger franchise - DC Comics, Marvel Comics, Star Wars, just to name a few - has a second, very firm leg in the afternoon cartoon business and wouldn't even think about abandoning this way to integrate younger viewers as well. The Star Wars franchise with its Clone Wars offshoot series is a prime example.
Perhaps when J.J. Abrams' Star Trek becomes a success, TPTB stop sitting on their hands and start doing real business. I could very well imagine big movies on the silver screen and an animated/CG series on TV to bridge the time between them. Perhaps another TV series could also wait in the wings. Well, but that's only me...
Nero's story or the Romulan Borg technology project would be perfect story snippets to be explained in one or two episodes of said TV series.

 

[shapeshifter]

^I agree.

While news of a possible sequel being considered before this one even hits the screens is encouraging Paramount needs to take their commitment to Trek to the Nth degree here.

A fricken portion of the lot should be dedicated to It's creation, subdivided into different departments including live action and animated & throngs of dedicated people hired to crank out Trek productions of every sort. Lets Get Busy!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I agree with the possibility of an animated series. With (IMO) as bad as Clone Wars looks, a beautifully animated Trek series would be amazing. With the quality of animation now, budgets don't have to be huge, and still turn out a very nice series.

 

[The Academic]

I agree with the possibility of an animated series. With (IMO) as bad as Clone Wars looks, a beautifully animated Trek series would be amazing. With the quality of animation now, budgets don't have to be huge, and still turn out a very nice series.

You are absolutely right about Clone Wars. It really looks bad (or at least its characters), even when its makers claim that this was an intentional choice of style. I love Star Wars since its very beginning, but so far I haven't had the heart to watch it... However, imagine a Star Trek CG series done like Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within!

 

[Pegasus]

There was talk of an animated series but it fell through. Start Trek was considered too complex or a crtoon series and was kept in the human acting. A Countdown cartoon would be brill though.

What I meant was would anyone like to help me with my idea for a Forge fanfiction? I will start it of from my short Romulan study peice, "Welcome to Romulus" as the forge will be Tal Shair ran.

 

[cynical dreamer]

There was talk of an animated series but it fell through. Start Trek was considered too complex or a crtoon series and was kept in the human acting.

Sounds like bollocks to me. Do you have any links or news stories pertaining to that.

I find the notion that Star trek is "too complex" for animation to be ludicrous.


On another note, the reasons for no animation series may be partly due to the failure of the original animated series. But that is just a guess.

 

[M'Sharak]

There was talk of an animated series but it fell through. Start Trek was considered too complex or a crtoon series and was kept in the human acting.

Sounds like bollocks to me. Do you have any links or news stories pertaining to that.

I find the notion that Star trek is "too complex" for animation to be ludicrous.


On another note, the reasons for no animation series may be partly due to the failure of the original animated series. But that is just a guess.

Back in late 2006, we heard about and saw artwork for a new animated series. Involved were David Rossi, who had worked on several of the previous Trek series and on the TOS "remastering" project, and Doug Mirabello, who was on the Enterprise team. After initial interest was expressed by CBS following the cancellation of Enterprise, some stories and art were developed, but as of November 2008 the project was still waiting for a green light.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Untitled_Star_Trek_animated_series
http://trekmovie.com/2006/12/13/cbs-considering-new-animated-trek-series/

 

[Pegasus]

Here is what I have right now. Any suggestions and critism is welcome.

Planet Name: Devoras
Class: M
Moons: 1
Aflitation:Romulan Star Empire
Colony world, and Recsearch and Deelopment Base, "The Forge".
Planet Characteristics
Devoras only has one large continent which is mostly on one side of the planet, it is populated like a normal Romulan colony. It is trade colony, normaly dealing with internal trade but Federation merchant vessels and even the odd Ferengi are known to turn up now and again. The planet as an equal balence between cities and wide open, 'green' spaces, including parks, farms, and two Imperail Parks of Natural Beauty, and is known for being one of the colonies to import Romulus native animal species. There is one Romulan spacedock in orbit.
Officailly the moon is the headquarters of the 5th Legion, (the sectors defence force), aswell as the location of the Forge.

The Forge

1.Location
The R&D facility is located beneath the surface of the northern hemisphere the, 'equator', the entire complex is built into the moon itself, with 2 large internal bays to deploy the vessels inside quickly into space) the bay doors covered with the parts of the moons surface that was carved out for the conmplex to disguise the bay doors. In addition to the surface cover there is also a cloaking device attached to the complex (from the scimitar class). The assembly of the ship pecies, (apart from the test subjects for the 'Collective' project) is carried out in the small 2 dry dock ship yard are stationary and a slight distance away from the moon using scrambling technology which retunes the drydock's energy signature to look like those of a two warbirds along with an interferance signal disquised as background radiation project the image of two ships to the viewing vessels viewscreen and computers.

The sixth legion stops any enemy and non authorised ship from getting close to the moon too as part of thier duties.

2. History
The base was built during the late 23rd century.
Past Projects
a.Shadow Class Project (Armarda 2).
b. Class- C Warbird Project, (Scimitar class).

3.Current Project
'Collective' Project
The wreckage of a Borg SPhere type 2 was discovered just inside Romulan territory, base experts have deduced from the salvaged technolgy and drones that the Sphere had been caught in a transwarp corridor which collapsed when Voyager managed to destroy one of the five transwarp hubs in the galaxy in 2378. The debris were immediatly, 'quarurantined' by the Senate's order. Only after numerous pleas and proposed studies has the Borg debris beeing moved to the Forge for anyalsis and reverse engineering with particular attention payed to the nanoprobe technology and it's possible uses.

Test subject 1: Dilthium mining ship the Narada.(Armarda 2 mining ship).
The mining vessel Narada was chosen as the tes subject as it was midway through it's service life, (saving the scientist from having to fix all the bugs that arise in a ship straight out of the shipyards). It's captain, a romulan called Nero Llweii protested at first but is assinged to the project officailly as an obsever because he knows the ship, (but unnofficailly it's to keep him quiet).As part of the test a Scimitar class cloaking device was installed onto the vessel to see how the reprogrammed borg nanoprobes would react to it.
Results: A couple of incidents but very promising.

Test Subject 2: D'deridex class warbird.
An admiral asked for their warbird to be used in the next stage of testing instead of a Valdore class warbird, and the Tal Shair agreed, as it would allow them to use the large numbers ofdecomisioned D'deridex ships again if it was sucessfull saving on resources to build specailly customised ships for the process.
Results: Currently undergoing testing.

 

[M'Sharak]

Here is what I have right now. Any suggestions and critism is welcome.

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I'm not sure what I'm looking at, to be honest. If this is a story précis or premise, then I'd suggest Fan Fiction would be the appropriate forum for posting it.

 

[Pegasus]

Itr is not a fanfiction premise, yet. This thread is about the canoncity of the Narada and the Forge and how it may be translated into Primetimeline, (TOS to Nemesis) from the movie. My last post was my suggestion of how this could be possibly done.

 

[cooleddie74]

Is this all speculation? Or real plots?

The part about a secret Romulan facility, the adapted to Romulan designs Borg technology, the Borg modified Narada are all real plots from the Countdown comics.

The rest is speculation.

Agreed. And I dunno how much stake I'd put in the Borg enhancements and a Romulan-Borg clash having happened since NEMESIS and VOYAGER since Janeway did almost-catastrophic damage to the collective and its transwarp conduit network when Voyager returned home. And this is the first I've seen or heard even in comic/non-canon form of the collective having resurged and attacked another power in our section of the galaxy since 2377-78.

Now a Romulan scientist or ship finding Borg technology and nanoprobes in a crashed sphere or cube and using them? I can see that with no qualms or issues.

 

[pookha]

or there could have been a clash and the romulans just kept it under wraps.
we do know as far back as the neutral zone in tng that the borg were interested in both the federation and romulan outposts.