Well, crap. And here I thought the Disco ships had underinflated nacelles.
Nacelle design hypothesis
- Thread starter WarpFactorZ
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I hear there will be a story arc in season 2 around the new inflation transwarp drive. It will involve the nacelles being inflated with plasma like a balloon. Once the nacelles are full, the new nacelle fingers will pinch the nacelles closed and and then quickly release them allowing the plasma to be expelled. Discovery will shoot off like a balloon at ludicrous speed.
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How...cum?How cum the one shot you pick, makes the left nacelle look like a DicK?
Because that's the one shot that TrekCore had in their gallery that shows the decoy balloon recognizably but not fully inflated. Don't blame me, blame the animators!
(However, it is rather appropriate in context, don't you think?
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Ain't it funny how even a saturday morning cartoon, can be subverted by Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek.
<snicker>
TAS is strange
"May I return to duty now, Mister Spock?"
TAS is strange
Why?
Because the same design philosophies and technologies that influenced the Constitution class would probably influence other classes. It seems unlikely that they would just throw out everything and start completely over with every ship design.
Considering how many Constitution class cruisers they lost it might not have been a very successful design.
How many did they loose? I think it was only two. The Defiant and the Constellation. The Exeter's crew was killed but the ship was intact. The four ships in the Ultimate Computer were damaged, but probably could be repaired. And we have no evidence that the Intrepid was even a Constitution class ship. Considering how dangerous space is, 2 out of 13 ain't bad.
If we go by the remastered "Court Martial" (TOS), she definitely is. Just a clarification of that one point, not to negate your others.
-MMoM
^Oh, I don't care for TOS-R either, personally. But to be fair, you were the one who brought it into the discussion! (Even if under a conditional statement!)
-MMoM
Poor world building, and John Eaves.
Machines operating on the laws of physics will of course look similar—no one gets to make square turbofan fans, for reasons that should be obvious for anyone that comprehends the nature of spinning objects. And the most efficient means of exploiting physics leads few ways of doing things because why waste time and effort? There isn't a lot of variation in electric motors, cyclotrons, or phased array antennas.
Mass and energy bend spacetime. There may be different ways exploiting this to bend spacetime to our liking, but in nature there is one most efficient way, gathering mass in one spot. There may be many ways to produce the energy equivalent of mass to warp space, but there is only going to be one very efficient way of doing it—the least energy for the most curvature. Before that means is found, technology will be on the path toward that greater efficiency, so even fictional systems such as warp drive should be based on a fictional and consistent idea of how it's done, and what that tech looks like. If your warp drive is based on unwavering principles of operation, then everyone's warp drive will look similar, just like their electric motors, internal combustion engines, turbofan engines, LED flashlights, and neon lighting will look the same. Even fictional physics should be across the board. Even if there are twenty ways to warp space for propulsion faster than light, there is only going to one best efficient way to do it, and everyone will use that way eventually.
Flat nacelles should be advanced warp, even if the Klingons had it in TOS. Should have been slimmer in TNG. But anything goes instead.
Machines operating on the laws of physics will of course look similar—no one gets to make square turbofan fans, for reasons that should be obvious for anyone that comprehends the nature of spinning objects. And the most efficient means of exploiting physics leads few ways of doing things because why waste time and effort? There isn't a lot of variation in electric motors, cyclotrons, or phased array antennas.
Mass and energy bend spacetime. There may be different ways exploiting this to bend spacetime to our liking, but in nature there is one most efficient way, gathering mass in one spot. There may be many ways to produce the energy equivalent of mass to warp space, but there is only going to be one very efficient way of doing it—the least energy for the most curvature. Before that means is found, technology will be on the path toward that greater efficiency, so even fictional systems such as warp drive should be based on a fictional and consistent idea of how it's done, and what that tech looks like. If your warp drive is based on unwavering principles of operation, then everyone's warp drive will look similar, just like their electric motors, internal combustion engines, turbofan engines, LED flashlights, and neon lighting will look the same. Even fictional physics should be across the board. Even if there are twenty ways to warp space for propulsion faster than light, there is only going to one best efficient way to do it, and everyone will use that way eventually.
Flat nacelles should be advanced warp, even if the Klingons had it in TOS. Should have been slimmer in TNG. But anything goes instead.
^Oh, I don't care for TOS-R either, personally. But to be fair, you were the one who brought it into the discussion! (Even if under a conditional statement!)
-MMoM
Tha's true, that's true. I admit culpability. But in my defense it was a subtle dig at the STD supporters, in that to have more support for their position it would be better to jettison TAS and the Remastered. By being more inclusive of TAS and the Remastered, as STD supporters are wont, it actually weakens their own position.
That assumes the nacelle gizmos inside are actually square and its not just cladding for whatever reason around more cylindrical gizmos. I'm not defending the design. I'm not entirely sure Eaves actually knows how to draw a cylinder. I need proof.
It's all made up science. We're just throwing stuff at a board. So for that matter why aren't they just using Vulcan annular drives instead. They never entirely give up on it (XCV, Apollo class.. )
"Explicit?" That implies someone actually said anything even remotely like this during TOS. That never actually happens though. The closest thing we get is Kirk saying "There are only twelve like her in the fleet." That doesn't tell us they're "very special vessels" at all, just that they're twelve that are similar to the Enterprise in some way.
Along with the TOS Enterprise being the flagship, being the LARGEST Starfleet ship, being the most advanced or most powerful Starfleet ship, or Spock being the first/only/most famous vulcan in Starfleet, these are things fans have assumed forever but were never actually mentioned in the series.
