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My TOS Shuttlecraft...

There are two things I'm considering including in this booklet of plans. The first is a sheet of the hull markings because as they're shown on the plans you're not seeing them directly at right angles to the pov. Another idea I'm toying with is a three view of the ship's structural framework or spaceframe as I like to call it.
 
Another suggestion... how about a sort of a pseudo-cutaway... ideally with transparency rather than actual cuts, though?

I'm talking about doing this in an isometric or trimetric perspective, by the way...
 
Now that I've added the rear landing strut and plate I've a better estimation of size. Going with a 6'-5" ceiling gives me a ship of about 30'-4." I'm going to play with things some more that may allow me to shave off a few inches so we'll see.

My rear landing plate will be different than the one seen in Phil Broad's drawings primarily because I've been influenced by those shots of the filming miniature flying away from the viewer's pov. Also the rear landing plate as seen on the fullsize mock-up is inconsistent. In "The Galileo Seven" it appears to look one way and in "Metamorphosis" it looks like Phil's drawings. And to me that rear plate look rather too anachronistic for my taste.
 
warped9. great work, impeccably thought out....

except for one small thing...

oh, nevermind.
 
Professor Moriarty said:
*** sigh *** Every time I look in on this thread the image links are broken. :(
It's because you built an Enterprise. That's my theory.
 
Professor Moriarty said:
*** sigh *** Every time I look in on this thread the image links are broken. :(
Yeah, thats really bugging me. I'll have to find a better web host.

I'm mostly working on the interior presently and working out exact dimensions, but this weekend
I'll try to get some sample finalized sheets of exterior views popsted for Monday.
 
AlexR said:
aridas sofia said:
Can you make 1701/3 the Columbus, or at least say that the TAS-era Copernicus replaced TOS Columbus as 1701/3?

I'd have to double-check the Concordance to be certain, but I'm pretty sure the Columbus was NCC-1701/2, rather than /3.

FWIW, a search on that number turns up a whole range of references to Columbus, including:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_shuttlecraft

and

http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/operations/1701-shuttlebay.html

Hope this helps!

Best,
Alex

No one ever showed the Columbus close enough to see a number, right? I mean, we all know they used the Galileo model, so they really couldn't show it up-close.

My theory was based on the notion that the original complement of embarked craft was four --

two maintenance sleds
Aldrin 1701/1
Borman 1701/2

one short range (TOS) shuttle
Columbus 1701/3

and one intership (predecessor to the Phase 2) shuttle
Drake 1701/4

They then add one long range shuttle (the original Galileo design)
Ericsson 1701/5

And later add another intership shuttle
Faraday 1701/6

and another short-range shuttle
Galileo 1701/7

When we pick up the story, during TOS, there are seven. Later, during TAS, some are swapped out and replaced by different shuttlecraft.

The ID scheme is Terranglo-alphabetical, but as time passes the link between letter and type gets lost.
 
aridas sofia said:My theory was based on the notion that the original complement of embarked craft was four --

two maintenance sleds
Aldrin 1701/1
Borman 1701/2

one short range (TOS) shuttle
Columbus 1701/3

and one intership (predecessor to the Phase 2) shuttle
Drake 1701/4

They then add one long range shuttle (the original Galileo design)
Ericsson 1701/5

And later add another intership shuttle
Faraday 1701/6

and another short-range shuttle
Galileo 1701/7

When we pick up the story, during TOS, there are seven. Later, during TAS, some are swapped out and replaced by different shuttlecraft.

The ID scheme is Terranglo-alphabetical, but as time passes the link between letter and type gets lost.
That seems like an AWFUL lot of large vessels to carry in what is, honestly, a pretty small hangar space.

(I tend to ignore the conventional definition of the landing bay as the "hangar bay" since a hangar is, by definition, where a ship is STORED, not where it's launched from. The "hangar bay" is below the shuttlecraft landing bay. That's where the ships are stored.)

If you try putting all those ships into the available space...and bear in mind that you have to deal with ceiling height, not just floor space... you'll take up a huge amount of the available volume of the secondary hull, won't you?

2 "short-range" shuttles
2 "maintenance sled" shuttles (no idea what these look like, mind you)
2 "intership shuttles" (you mention it as being similar to the "phase 2 shuttle? If you mean the "wedge" shuttlecraft, well, those are HUGE)
1 "long-range" shuttle (which you say is like the "original" Galileo design... I presume you mean Matt Jeffries' original aircraft-like sketch?)

Also, bear in mind that for a hangar, you need "taxiing room" to be able to move the various ships around to get to the elevator leading up to the landing bay.

Okay, the "maintenance sleds" are what... the equivalent of work-bees?

I actually like the "workbees under the red rectangle" that you see in the current "ships of the line" calendar a lot. That arrangement is the only one I've seen that really makes much sense, either for the rectangle or for the need for maintenance craft.

The original Matt Jeffries sketch is actually a much smaller ship than the final TOS shuttle design we got. It's more reminiscent of a Piper Super Cub or a little Cessna than anything else... hardly what I'd consider a good "long range" design, as compared to the TOS shuttlecraft. I might be inclined to consider this the TOS equivalent of a "shuttlepod" but not as something superior in range or capability to the TOS shuttle.

I'm just trying to figure out (1) what the ships you're talking about actually ARE, and (2) how you'd manage to fit all of that into what is, honestly, a pretty limited space (especially when you consider that the TOS shuttle is, per this thread at least, increasing from 24 feet up to something more like 30 feet).
 
Ooooh! Oooooh! You YOU you!

No! And I'm not going to! Well, not as such. It'll be textured on. Not only that, but the interior will be bluescreened in. No joke.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.
 
Maybe it's like the General Lee and the pilot just slides across the hood into the rolled-down window whenever they need to spring into action. Personally I think all shuttles should be this way. Boring pre-flight checks and safety protocols take all the fun out of things.
 
foravalon said:
Maybe it's like the General Lee and the pilot just slides across the hood into the rolled-down window whenever they need to spring into action. Personally I think all shuttles should be this way. Boring pre-flight checks and safety protocols take all the fun out of things.
Good point. They're just gonna crash on the planet anyway.
 
So, does that mean you're gonna color it bright orange and slap a Confederate flag on the top?

Hmm...that gives me an idea for next year's model contest at Starfest... :evil:
 
Okay, here are some sample pages. Please note that these are not 100% complete as I've still some tweaking to do with them. But they do show my general presentation for this set of plans. Also they're obviously not full size images.

Note also that some things (such as the entry hatch and ship's registration) may look slightly askew as opposed to how they've usually appeared on other drawings. That's because I've taken into account that those objects are not sitting on a surface at exact right angles to your pov. I've also chosen to depict the exterior views as "In flight" mode with the forward landing pads retracted.

The bottom sheet shows the ships only in silhuoette because I've not yet drawn the ship with the specific distinctive features of the Class H ship.

And finally I have some hard numbers and that's what they'll be unless there arises the need for some final tweaking.

LENGTH: 29'-11.56"
BEAM:18'-9.914"
DRAFT: 10'-3.975"

Note that this ship is only about 27% larger than TOS' fullsize exterior mock-up.

WebShuttlePic-01.jpg
 
FINALLY I get to see what everyone else has been lookin' at... very nice Warped9. My only suggestion would be to scoot the port/starboard registry on the main hull upwards a bit... my eyes are telling me that the whole thing is slightly too low.
 
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