My TOS shuttlecraft (continued)...
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Interesting. That could help with a rationalized backstory I'm considering.
The shuttle aready has an impulse engine. Besides, what you're describing is still technically a warp drive. A sub-light warp drive, but a warp drive none-the-less.
And I'm not sure the way the impulse engines work has ever been clearly stated, so any thoughts on that are pure guess-work.
There is one reference in TOS that the shuttlecraft is is ion powered (or ion driven, I'm not sure). But for some treknical rationalization: imagine Federation science has managed to derive a means of deriving thrust from an advanced ion engine in conjunction with the warp engines emitting a field that lessens the craft's mass significantly.
I know it's still magic science, but I took a shot.
I know it's still magic science, but I took a shot.
I personally have a soft spot for Dave Stern's Daedalus books where a Cascade Ion Drive is both a Starfleet experiment and a Suliban technology for extracting power, which is then fed into a relatively conventional warp engine. It no doubt is also related to the Polaric Ions that caused such havoc in VOY "Time and Again" when harnessed for power extraction... A perfect candidate for a system that works fine on small scale but isn't applicable for things like starship propulsion or powering up a city.
Timo Saloniemi
Which reminds me: is it the row of vertical yellow slits? Or is it the slightly off-axis red horizontal thing lower down? Interestingly, the latter would better match the portrayal of impulse engines in TNG and on the mothership... And would better excuse the prominent lack of vertical yellow slits on the various TAS craft.
Timo Saloniemi
^^ Phil Broad's construction drawings clearly identify the eight lighted slits at the aft end as the impulse engine.
Here is a sample of a revised exterior sheet. Look closely and you should note the changes: finer line work and better detail. One example is the trailer edge of the aft nacelle cap that is now a corrugated edge rather than a clean curve. The radial centre of a curved surface is now denoted by a soft blurred line rather than a hard thin one.
I've also tweaked the page border although it mign't be noticeable at this resolution.
Here is a sample of a revised exterior sheet. Look closely and you should note the changes: finer line work and better detail. One example is the trailer edge of the aft nacelle cap that is now a corrugated edge rather than a clean curve. The radial centre of a curved surface is now denoted by a soft blurred line rather than a hard thin one.
I've also tweaked the page border although it mign't be noticeable at this resolution.
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Looks great!
The discussion on warp powered shuttles prompted me to work this up, to give myself a sense of the scale involved:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzIs87lgfvDfQ&feat=directlink
(note: rough estimates with lots of rounding involved
Planetary sizes and distances are not to scale.)
Looks great!
The discussion on warp powered shuttles prompted me to work this up, to give myself a sense of the scale involved:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzIs87lgfvDfQ&feat=directlink
(note: rough estimates with lots of rounding involved
Planetary sizes and distances are not to scale.)
I'm rendering these in 1/12 scale. If printed out in this scale you'd need 34x17 in. sheets! Then I'm reducing them to 1/24 scale while keeping the line work scaled proportionately so to not lose clarity of detail because of lines staying the same thickness and closing the empty spaces between them.
Unless something unexpected comes up then my original figure for vehicle length will be (amazingly) as I initially projected: 26.427ft. (pretty much 26'-5 1/8").
From what I've been able to dig up it does seem that the braces under the stabilizers of the fullsize filming mockup were not intended as part of the ship's design, and so therefore I'm not going to include them.
Unless something unexpected comes up then my original figure for vehicle length will be (amazingly) as I initially projected: 26.427ft. (pretty much 26'-5 1/8").
From what I've been able to dig up it does seem that the braces under the stabilizers of the fullsize filming mockup were not intended as part of the ship's design, and so therefore I'm not going to include them.
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Looks great!
The discussion on warp powered shuttles prompted me to work this up, to give myself a sense of the scale involved:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzIs87lgfvDfQ&feat=directlink
(note: rough estimates with lots of rounding involved
I changed the photo (and for some reason couldn't edit the post.) Anyway, the graphic (it is the art forum
) is applicable to the warp/no-warp shuttlecraft argument in that it shows how useful a warp-driven shuttle would be to in-system travel while at the same time not being a practical interstellar craft.
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Looks great!
The discussion on warp powered shuttles prompted me to work this up, to give myself a sense of the scale involved:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzIs87lgfvDfQ&feat=directlink
(note: rough estimates with lots of rounding involved
I changed the photo (and for some reason couldn't edit the post.) Anyway, the graphic (it is the art forum
That's my thinking too; warp capable, but not interstellar capable, nor intended for it in the first place. I think it's the happiest compromise for everything we've seen. It can even be ion-powered.
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Looks great!
The discussion on warp powered shuttles prompted me to work this up, to give myself a sense of the scale involved:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzIs87lgfvDfQ&feat=directlink
(note: rough estimates with lots of rounding involved
I changed the photo (and for some reason couldn't edit the post.) Anyway, the graphic (it is the art forum
That's my thinking too; warp capable, but not interstellar capable, nor intended for it in the first place. I think it's the happiest compromise for everything we've seen. It can even be ion-powered.
Well I would expect warp drive to be a mature technology 200 hundred years after its invention, with vessels of all sizes possible.
Anyway, don't really want to hijack Warped9's thread over this, but I thought the visual would help.
Not to mention that 200 years after its invention on Earth, warp drive would have enabled contact with species that had possessed their own warp drives for several additional centuries or millennia. One wonders how much Andorian, Vulcan and possibly even older technology there is in the Class F shuttle...
Then again, Vulcans in ENT didn't make automatic progress towards warp 23½ engines, but were still stuck at around warp 7 when humans got their own warp 5 ship working. There might still be a few impossibilities in the TOS era as regards giving warp drive to shuttlecraft or small probes or spacesuits...
Timo Saloniemi
Just out of curiosity, how many times in TOS did we see a shuttle sent on an in-system mission? It was about 50/50 wasn't it? In Galileo Seven they were searching in multiple solar systems. Obviously the kicker is The Menagerie where a shuttle was catching up to a warp powered starship. And they were covering a good distance in Metamorphasis, weren't they?
Not a new argument, I know.
Not a new argument, I know.
That's my thinking too; warp capable, but not interstellar capable, nor intended for it in the first place. I think it's the happiest compromise for everything we've seen. It can even be ion-powered.
Right just because it has one does not necessarily mean it's built for long distance travel. Since shuttles only get smaller as they go along you better like the crewman next to you if you do have to go on a long range trip.