My TOS shuttlecraft (continued)...
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That's not how it came accross. The f/x for the loss of the refit were nice to look at, but it didn't overwhelm the emotional impact. It was dead silent in the theatre.
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The completed cover sheet.
Im not sure the ship's scale is exactly right, but it doesn't really matter because the illustration is based on the small forced perspective hangar deck filming miniature set. The fact that the ship is larger than the original filming miniature makes it look more appropriately sized.
The completed cover sheet.
Im not sure the ship's scale is exactly right, but it doesn't really matter because the illustration is based on the small forced perspective hangar deck filming miniature set. The fact that the ship is larger than the original filming miniature makes it look more appropriately sized.
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Nicely done. I like the way you've used the ceiling detail to focus attention on the title.
Nicely done. I like the way you've used the ceiling detail to focus attention on the title.
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Actually as I study it I think I could have pushed the ship and turntable/elevator back towards the doors a bit more and proportionately shrink them in size a little. But I don't feel like messing with this anymore. If I my say so I think it looks okay and fine as it is. I suppose the perspective approximates what the view would look like from the observation platform along the front of the hangar. To be really accurate the scene would look like you're looking downward a bit more, but like I said I'm not changing it now. I also toyed with putting a conventional defining border around the image, but I like the open look better.
I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it.
Actually as I study it I think I could have pushed the ship and turntable/elevator back towards the doors a bit more and proportionately shrink them in size a little. But I don't feel like messing with this anymore. If I my say so I think it looks okay and fine as it is. I suppose the perspective approximates what the view would look like from the observation platform along the front of the hangar. To be really accurate the scene would look like you're looking downward a bit more, but like I said I'm not changing it now. I also toyed with putting a conventional defining border around the image, but I like the open look better.
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Tres drool.
The shuttle's sitting a little high off the deck, isn't she? I didn't think they had a front leg - do I see that right?
Tres drool.
The shuttle's sitting a little high off the deck, isn't she? I didn't think they had a front leg - do I see that right?
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The ship on the cover sheet is my Class H shuttlecraft as opposed to the familiar TOS Class F. But both craft are in the plans.Tres drool.
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Oops my bad. Total eye-sugar, I agree your work would have fit right into a con table in the '70's!
Oops my bad. Total eye-sugar, I agree your work would have fit right into a con table in the '70's!
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I apologize for the slow pace, but as a project of pure hobby it's subject to real life's interference and my being up to the task after work at my day job.
I will say that although I can't promise a time table there are other TOS related projects I'd like to do when I can.
- the TAS shuttlecraft
- the TMP era shuttlecraft
- the Pike era Enterprise
- starships from the 21st to early 23rd century
- my interpretation of the FJ destroyer class
- Starfleet uniforms and weaponry
- Klingon and Rihansuu (Romulan) starships
I apologize for the slow pace, but as a project of pure hobby it's subject to real life's interference and my being up to the task after work at my day job.
I will say that although I can't promise a time table there are other TOS related projects I'd like to do when I can.
- the TAS shuttlecraft
- the TMP era shuttlecraft
- the Pike era Enterprise
- starships from the 21st to early 23rd century
- my interpretation of the FJ destroyer class
- Starfleet uniforms and weaponry
- Klingon and Rihansuu (Romulan) starships
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The portside nacelle cap needs to extend a bit further back to account for the angle. Also, you may want to put more of a curve to the end caps of both for the same reason.
Otherwise it's excellant.
The completed cover sheet.
Im not sure the ship's scale is exactly right, but it doesn't really matter because the illustration is based on the small forced perspective hangar deck filming miniature set. The fact that the ship is larger than the original filming miniature makes it look more appropriately sized.
The portside nacelle cap needs to extend a bit further back to account for the angle. Also, you may want to put more of a curve to the end caps of both for the same reason.
Otherwise it's excellant.
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Although I'm nowhere near starting other projects yet I still sketch ideas out for future reference. I've been sketching out ideas for the Bonaventure that echoes some of the shapes and lines of the TAS ship, but it still looks sufficiently 150 years older while avoiding the obvious ripoff of the TOS E shape.
I still do a lot of drawing freehand to get what I'm going for. I only do finished work on computer.
The ship is based on a screencap of the Galileo on the hangar deck so I was using that as the basis in regards to perspective, so while it's not perfect it's serviceable. To get it exactly right I would have drawn the ship from scratch.The completed cover sheet.
Im not sure the ship's scale is exactly right, but it doesn't really matter because the illustration is based on the small forced perspective hangar deck filming miniature set. The fact that the ship is larger than the original filming miniature makes it look more appropriately sized.
The portside nacelle cap needs to extend a bit further back to account for the angle. Also, you may want to put more of a curve to the end caps of both for the same reason.
Otherwise it's excellant.
Although I'm nowhere near starting other projects yet I still sketch ideas out for future reference. I've been sketching out ideas for the Bonaventure that echoes some of the shapes and lines of the TAS ship, but it still looks sufficiently 150 years older while avoiding the obvious ripoff of the TOS E shape.
I still do a lot of drawing freehand to get what I'm going for. I only do finished work on computer.
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Now that sounds like a great project! Any chance of you scanning and posting some of your sketches?
Now that sounds like a great project! Any chance of you scanning and posting some of your sketches?
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I've got reams of sketches. Sometimes I sketch at home, sometimes in a restaurant or coffee shop or on break at work. Perhaps I could compile some of them for show.
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Retro or devolutionary designing is challenging. Trying to make something look "older" yet still futuristic as well as credibly consistent with what we're already familiar with.
That's partly why I bothered to develop something of a chronology outline for time predating TOS, so I could get a better feel for what the tech should look like.
We have few clues as to what ships predating TOS could look like. Firstly, of course, we have early Matt Jefferies sketches as he worked towards the final Enterprise design. Next we have the DY-100 class Botany Bay from "Space Seed" dating from the late 20th century. Next we have a few onscreen references:
- in "The Cage" Jose Tyler says the "time barrier" has been broken and implies current ships like the Enterprise are a lot faster than ship's of the Columbia's era.
- the S.S. Valiant disappears two hundred years prior to WNMHGB and that the Enterprise crew are surprised that the ship somehow made it out to the edge of the galaxy. We also learn the Valiant was a "galactic survey cruiser."
- in "Space Seed" we not only see a late 20th century ship, but we learn sleeper ships became obsolete after 2018.
- in "Metamorphosis" we learn the space warp was developed prior to Zefram Cochrane's disappearance 150 years earlier.
- in "Balance Of Terror" we learn Earth fought an unknown enemy only known as Romulans in "primitive ships" with "primitive weaponry" a century earlier. We also learn that a treaty was negotiated vis subspace radio and that no visual communication was allowed. However, in "A Piece Of The Action" we learn that the Horizon had no subspace radio.
- in TAS' "Time Trap" we learn Scotty recognizes the Bonaventure as the first ship with warp drive that disappeared 150 years earlier.
- in TMP we get a glimpse of a ring shaped ship named Enterprise that predates the familiar TOS-TMP ship of the same name.
For me the trick is reaching something that looks more rudimentary yet still has its own aesthetic integrity and looks good in its own way.
Retro or devolutionary designing is challenging. Trying to make something look "older" yet still futuristic as well as credibly consistent with what we're already familiar with.
That's partly why I bothered to develop something of a chronology outline for time predating TOS, so I could get a better feel for what the tech should look like.
We have few clues as to what ships predating TOS could look like. Firstly, of course, we have early Matt Jefferies sketches as he worked towards the final Enterprise design. Next we have the DY-100 class Botany Bay from "Space Seed" dating from the late 20th century. Next we have a few onscreen references:
- in "The Cage" Jose Tyler says the "time barrier" has been broken and implies current ships like the Enterprise are a lot faster than ship's of the Columbia's era.
- the S.S. Valiant disappears two hundred years prior to WNMHGB and that the Enterprise crew are surprised that the ship somehow made it out to the edge of the galaxy. We also learn the Valiant was a "galactic survey cruiser."
- in "Space Seed" we not only see a late 20th century ship, but we learn sleeper ships became obsolete after 2018.
- in "Metamorphosis" we learn the space warp was developed prior to Zefram Cochrane's disappearance 150 years earlier.
- in "Balance Of Terror" we learn Earth fought an unknown enemy only known as Romulans in "primitive ships" with "primitive weaponry" a century earlier. We also learn that a treaty was negotiated vis subspace radio and that no visual communication was allowed. However, in "A Piece Of The Action" we learn that the Horizon had no subspace radio.
- in TAS' "Time Trap" we learn Scotty recognizes the Bonaventure as the first ship with warp drive that disappeared 150 years earlier.
- in TMP we get a glimpse of a ring shaped ship named Enterprise that predates the familiar TOS-TMP ship of the same name.
For me the trick is reaching something that looks more rudimentary yet still has its own aesthetic integrity and looks good in its own way.
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I've since been thinking about the references to the Valiant and Bonaventure.
The Bonaventure is mentioned by Scotty in "Time Trap" as the first ship with warp drive and its disappearance is around the same time as Zefram Cochrane's disappearance. That would be about fifty years after Cochrane developed his space warp.
The Valiant is mentioned as disappearing about two hundred years ago and about fifty years before the missing Bonaventure.
This raises the questions: was the Valiant a warp drive ship? And how did it end up at such an extreme distance?
The second question doesn't really need to be answered if we assume some sort of anomaly threw the Valiant that far out whether it was a warp drive ship or not. But if it was a warp drive ship then how can that be reconciled with the Bonaventure supposedly being the first ship with warp drive?
Two possibilities occur to me. The Bonaventure could have been built just before the Valiant and yet didn't disappear until some decades later on its third major voyage. Or it was the first ship designed with warp drive in mind from its inception.
This could mean the Valiant was a pre-existing ship that had warp drive retrofitted to it. So technically it was a ship with warp drive predating the Bonaventure, but it had not been originally designed that way. The Valiant could have been one of those "new" ships that came along after sleeper craft were superceded in 2018 (re: "Space Seed). Then along comes Cochrane's space warp and the Valiant is given a new lease on life refitted as a warp drive ship.
Recall also that the Valiant was specifically designated as a "galactic space cruiser" and so it had to be something more than just a transport upgraded.
And I'm beginning to toy with an idea of what the Valiant could have looked like after being fitted with a space warp drive.
I've since been thinking about the references to the Valiant and Bonaventure.
The Bonaventure is mentioned by Scotty in "Time Trap" as the first ship with warp drive and its disappearance is around the same time as Zefram Cochrane's disappearance. That would be about fifty years after Cochrane developed his space warp.
The Valiant is mentioned as disappearing about two hundred years ago and about fifty years before the missing Bonaventure.
This raises the questions: was the Valiant a warp drive ship? And how did it end up at such an extreme distance?
The second question doesn't really need to be answered if we assume some sort of anomaly threw the Valiant that far out whether it was a warp drive ship or not. But if it was a warp drive ship then how can that be reconciled with the Bonaventure supposedly being the first ship with warp drive?
Two possibilities occur to me. The Bonaventure could have been built just before the Valiant and yet didn't disappear until some decades later on its third major voyage. Or it was the first ship designed with warp drive in mind from its inception.
This could mean the Valiant was a pre-existing ship that had warp drive retrofitted to it. So technically it was a ship with warp drive predating the Bonaventure, but it had not been originally designed that way. The Valiant could have been one of those "new" ships that came along after sleeper craft were superceded in 2018 (re: "Space Seed). Then along comes Cochrane's space warp and the Valiant is given a new lease on life refitted as a warp drive ship.
Recall also that the Valiant was specifically designated as a "galactic space cruiser" and so it had to be something more than just a transport upgraded.
And I'm beginning to toy with an idea of what the Valiant could have looked like after being fitted with a space warp drive.
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I'm reconsidering some of my ideas seeing how that cover sheet came out. When it comes to the interior of the ships I think I'll do this:
- Port cross-section (already completed for Class F)
- Starboard cross-section (already completed for Class F)
- Deck plan (mostly completed for Class F)
- Forward Main Cabin view (same style as the cover sheet)
- Aft Main Cabin view (same style as the cover sheet)
While being a little more visually dynamic this also allows me to forego a Ceiling Plan which is mostly superfluous anyway.
I'm reconsidering some of my ideas seeing how that cover sheet came out. When it comes to the interior of the ships I think I'll do this:
- Port cross-section (already completed for Class F)
- Starboard cross-section (already completed for Class F)
- Deck plan (mostly completed for Class F)
- Forward Main Cabin view (same style as the cover sheet)
- Aft Main Cabin view (same style as the cover sheet)
While being a little more visually dynamic this also allows me to forego a Ceiling Plan which is mostly superfluous anyway.