My Gripes with STID!

[DeMilburn]

Watched Star Trek into Darkness with the girlfriend last night and apart from some of the glaring issues with the story, a couple of things really stand out to me as just being bad! (Just an FYI I do like this film) The first thing, is basically they have a cure for death! All they have to do is keep Khan and all his crew frozen but access to their blood and they can stop all death on Earth! (which would come in handy if they go to war with the Klingons) and secondly, when Uhura discovers they need khan and asks chekov can we beam them up and he says no they keep moving around.... hang on? didnt you beam both Kirk and Sulu when they where plumiting to their deaths on vulcan in the first one? they where going a hell of a lot faster than just moving around!??!!? Arrrrggghhhhh!!! lol

 

[BillJ]

The transporter should've ended medical science in the 24th century.

As far as the fall goes, Kirk and Sulu were going in one direction, Chekov could predict where they were going to be at. With Khan and Spock, they couldn't predict where they would be any given moment because they were moving around in an unpredictable way.

 

[DeMilburn]

The transporter should've ended medical science in the 24th century.

As far as the fall goes, Kirk and Sulu were going in one direction, Chekov could predict where they were going to be at. With Khan and Spock, they couldn't predict where they would be any given moment because they were moving around in an unpredictable way.

Thats all far too logical and makes too much sense!!

 

[Dales]

Watched Star Trek into Darkness with the girlfriend last night and apart from some of the glaring issues with the story, a couple of things really stand out to me as just being bad! (Just an FYI I do like this film) The first thing, is basically they have a cure for death! All they have to do is keep Khan and all his crew frozen but access to their blood and they can stop all death on Earth! (which would come in handy if they go to war with the Klingons) and secondly, when Uhura discovers they need khan and asks chekov can we beam them up and he says no they keep moving around.... hang on? didnt you beam both Kirk and Sulu when they where plumiting to their deaths on vulcan in the first one? they where going a hell of a lot faster than just moving around!??!!? Arrrrggghhhhh!!! lol

I don't think Kirk was actually dead , we could argue that he was on life support but yeah I didn't not like the khan blood thing ironically orci also uses it in amazing Spiderman 2 which led to him been criticised more as a writer.

STID was as a whole, I did not enjoy it much either , the film was just too much of a rollacoster that I barely got the story.I was very disappointed with the remake of wrath of khan in the end as well, it was just so out of place and over the top especially with the khan shout by spock. I expected so much more from the writers.

 

[Set Harth]

STID is actually a pretty good film if you can somehow hypnotize yourself into not seeing what Lindelof did.

 

[Phily B]

I really enjoyed it, but the resurrection of Kirk was done extraordinarily bad.

I mean ST3 is largely forgotten because it wa stupid as hell, I don't think the story needed this element at all. ST in general needs to stop replicating TWoK, the only movie to come close since was FC and that accidentally borrowed elements from it.

 

[bbailey861]

I'll give you the blood one. Actually, the miracle blood is my biggest problem with the film. A far too miraculous thing to exist. As for the Spock yell, they should have done the exact opposite. I think his "Khaaannnn" should have been done in a low, seething angry growl. I think that would have been a far better, and much more effective portrayal of his anger and it would have been far more fitting for a half human, half Vulcan - at least I believe that to be the case, anyway. Be that as it may, I still liked the film.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'll give you the blood one. Actually, the miracle blood is my biggest problem with the film. A far too miraculous thing to exist. As for the Spock yell, they should have done the exact opposite. I think his "Khaaannnn" should have been done in a low, seething angry growl. I think that would have been a far better, and much more effective portrayal of his anger and it would have been far more fitting for a half human, half Vulcan - at least I believe that to be the case, anyway. Be that as it may, I still liked the film.

The "miracle blood" isn't all that different than any other miracle resurrections we see in Star Trek. And there is a precedent of sorts in "Space Seed".

MARLA: A man from the twentieth century coming alive.
MCCOY: Maybe. Heart beat dropping.
KIRK: Circuit shorting.
SCOTT: Probably some dust.
MCCOY: Heartbeat now thirty, dropping fast. It's a heart flutter. He's dying.
MARLA: Do something, Captain.
KIRK: Can we?
SCOTT: It'd take an hour to figure it out.
KIRK: What happens if we get him out of there?
MCCOY: He'll die in seconds if we don't.

KIRK: Bones?
MCCOY: He'll live.
KIRK: My compliments.
MCCOY: No, I'm good, but not that good. There's something inside this man that refuses to accept death. Look at that. Even as he is now, his heart valve action has twice the power of yours and mine. Lung efficiency is fifty percent better.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah I totally agree. The magic blood was totally ridiculous. Since it resurrected kirk from radiation death it should be able to resurrect most anything a human dies from except if the body is mangled. Both of the NuTreks have sucked pretty bad so far. I only have seen them because my wife likes them.

 

[thumbtack]

Any relation to Hamilton DeMilburn of Liverpool?

 

[Cinema Geekly]

As long as there is a precedent for it in the Prime timeline I'm fine with it.

Trek has cured death many times. Hell we can revive people who are clinically dead now under the proper circumstances.

Borg nano probes cured Neelix of his bout with death.

 

[Dukhat]

Three 20th century humans were already dead when they were frozen and placed aboard the cryosatellite in "The Neutral Zone," and Crusher revived them just fine. So what's the problem here, again? Just more JJ-hater griping?

 

[Ssosmcin]

I was kinda curious why Khan had to be alive to use his blood. Or why McCoy needed Khan specifically and not, say, one of the other 70 odd "human Popsicle's" he had on hand.

 

[Amaris]

Yeah I totally agree. The magic blood was totally ridiculous. Since it resurrected kirk from radiation death it should be able to resurrect most anything a human dies from except if the body is mangled. Both of the NuTreks have sucked pretty bad so far. I only have seen them because my wife likes them.

You guys do recall Beverly Crusher inoculating the crew against radiation in First Contact, correct? In that same movie, Lily suffered from a massive dose of it, and Beverly had her up and moving in no time. Nevermind the transporter which can totally re-arrange you on the quantum level.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah I totally agree. The magic blood was totally ridiculous. Since it resurrected kirk from radiation death it should be able to resurrect most anything a human dies from except if the body is mangled. Both of the NuTreks have sucked pretty bad so far. I only have seen them because my wife likes them.

You guys do recall Beverly Crusher inoculating the crew against radiation in First Contact, correct? In that same movie, Lily suffered from a massive dose of it, and Beverly had her up and moving in no time. Nevermind the transporter which can totally re-arrange you on the quantum level.

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A better example would be when the TNG crew used the Transporter to get Picard back to a 50 plus year old from his deaged 13 year old self by using his stored transporter pattern. Basically the transporter from that point on could be used to store everyones younger pattern and in 30 or 40 years could deage a older self. That episode bugged me.

 

[Dales]

Yeah I totally agree. The magic blood was totally ridiculous. Since it resurrected kirk from radiation death it should be able to resurrect most anything a human dies from except if the body is mangled. Both of the NuTreks have sucked pretty bad so far. I only have seen them because my wife likes them.

well the magic blood to me was just weird, I did not like it because it looked like an easy way out but then again they should not have killed kirk in the first place to mirror wrath of khan.

the miracle blood becomes extremely irritating when you watch amazing Spiderman 2 and realise Orci uses the same formula.

 

[bbailey861]

Just more JJ-hater griping?

Uncalled for, especially in light of some of the real JJ-hate crap that's out there. And no, I don't think it was an innocent question.

To the matter at hand. I had no issue that Khan's blood could cure sickness at the beginning of the film, but I think it stretched it by reviving the dead. I think something better cold have been done. And as I said, I liked the film - films, actually - I challenge you to find otherwise.

 

[SalvorHardin]

We will be able to "cure" death with "magic blood" in real life long before we can build spaceships that warp space or make transporters. The blood thing is probably one of the most plausible things Trek has done.

And speaking of radiation, this might be of interest.

February 5, 2015

Stem cells can help heal long-term brain damage suffered by rats blasted with radiation, researchers report in the Feb. 5 Cell Stem Cell. The treatment allows the brain to rebuild the insulation on its nerve cells so they can start carrying messages again.


The researchers directed human stem cells to become a type of brain cell that is destroyed by radiation, a common cancer treatment, then grafted the cells into the brains of irradiated rats. Within a few months, the rats’ performance on learning and memory tests improved.


“This technique, translated to humans, could be a major step forward for the treatment of radiation-induced brain … injury,” says Jonathan Glass, a neurologist at Emory University in Atlanta.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/shots-brain-cells-restore-learning-memory-rats

 

[kirkfan]

The transporter should've ended medical science in the 24th century.

As far as the fall goes, Kirk and Sulu were going in one direction, Chekov could predict where they were going to be at. With Khan and Spock, they couldn't predict where they would be any given moment because they were moving around in an unpredictable way.

As a matter of science, nothing in space is stationary. Planets spin around their poles, orbit around their suns, suns move around their galaxies and galaxies move around the galaxy cluster, galaxy clusters move around the galaxy supercluster and galaxy superclusters move away from each other.

 

[Vanyel]

Three 20th century humans were already dead when they were frozen and placed aboard the cryosatellite in "The Neutral Zone," and Crusher revived them just fine. So what's the problem here, again? Just more JJ-hater griping?

Well not quite. The Popsicles from the 20th Century were dead by 20th Century standards and frozen immediately after death. The two men had advanced warning that the end was near and most likely ready to placed in cryo right after their hearts stopped. The woman may not have died instantly too. She too could have last long enough to be frozen as soon as her heart stopped. So while dead by late 20th Century medical standards, they were not dead by 24th century standards. Plus they were frozen so Crusher had a bit of extra time to heal them even if their situations were still considered critical.

Think of all the things that over the last 300 years would have you considered dead, but modern technology now says you are not and can even be cured. CPR was not know 300 years ago, how many people were "dead" because no one knew the heart can be restarted? Anaphylaxis, also comes to mind.