My Gripes with STID!

[kirkfan]

It hardly subtly implies and ethnicity.

That's where the name comes in.

What's in a name?

 

[M'Sharak]

It hardly subtly implies and ethnicity.

That's where the name comes in.

What's in a name?

In the case of Khan, it indicates a title or position. In the Mongolian and Turkic cultures of East-Central Asia, "Khan" is "chieftain" or "king".

(Interestingly, the title was originally "Khagan," but over centuries of use the 'g' sound was largely or completely dropped in spoken language, and the written form gradually reflected this change: Kha'an or Khaan.)

 

[kirkfan]

That's where the name comes in.

What's in a name?

In the case of Khan, it indicates a title or position. In the Mongolian and Turkic cultures of East-Central Asia, "Khan" is "chieftain" or "king".

(Interestingly, the title was originally "Khagan," but over centuries of use the 'g' sound was largely or completely dropped in spoken language, and the written form gradually reflected this change: Kha'an or Khaan.)

Actually, I was quoting Juliet in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

But your information is very interesting indeed.

And that makes Khan's origin vaguely oriental. How do we know that his name is of any significance though and not the Asian equivalent of someone named "king" in our culture? As in Martin Luther King for example?

 

[Pauln6]

It's another thing for the establishment to endorse that position permanently despite there being hundreds, if not thousands, of more experienced personnel in line for such a position.

All of whom no one cares about.

I have a problem with this as a stark statement. We can't care about someone we've never met. If you make a character fun, interesting, and engaging, viewers will start to care about them. If you make them a dick like Engineer Olsen then they will cheer when they meet their justifiable and deserved end. It's up to the writers to make us care, or not, depending on what they want to get out of the story.

We would never have grown to love Chief O'Brien if Geordi had operated the transporter every week because 'no one cares' about the transporter chief.

Chekov's contribution to the movie was in no way dependent on him being CHIEF engineer. That part of the story went beyond the 'realism' of the TOS franchise as much as if Wesley had been promoted from acting ensign to chief engineer in season 3 of TNG at which point he would have been the same age as Chekov in NuTrek with about 12 months more experience as an ensign than Chekov has at this point. Sure Wesley has enough engineering smarts to do that kind of job but ..?

Obviously, I have no choice to concede that Trek has numerous silly aspects but since when do 7,000+ wrongs make a right?

 

[Nerys Myk]

What's in a name?

In the case of Khan, it indicates a title or position. In the Mongolian and Turkic cultures of East-Central Asia, "Khan" is "chieftain" or "king".

(Interestingly, the title was originally "Khagan," but over centuries of use the 'g' sound was largely or completely dropped in spoken language, and the written form gradually reflected this change: Kha'an or Khaan.)

Actually, I was quoting Juliet in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

But your information is very interesting indeed.

And that makes Khan's origin vaguely oriental. How do we know that his name is of any significance though and not the Asian equivalent of someone named "king" in our culture? As in Martin Luther King for example?

I've at times wondered if Khan was a title he took for himself and his actual name was Noonien Singh.

 

[martok2112]

In the case of Khan, it indicates a title or position. In the Mongolian and Turkic cultures of East-Central Asia, "Khan" is "chieftain" or "king".

(Interestingly, the title was originally "Khagan," but over centuries of use the 'g' sound was largely or completely dropped in spoken language, and the written form gradually reflected this change: Kha'an or Khaan.)

Actually, I was quoting Juliet in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

But your information is very interesting indeed.

And that makes Khan's origin vaguely oriental. How do we know that his name is of any significance though and not the Asian equivalent of someone named "king" in our culture? As in Martin Luther King for example?

I've at times wondered if Khan was a title he took for himself and his actual name was Noonien Singh.

The comic book of Star Trek: Khan would certainly seem to support that, and I for one, favor that notion. It's certainly not unreasonable.
Genghis Khan (Genghis, King)
Kublai Khan (Kublai, King)
Contrast those with the fictional name/honorific of Theoden King in LotR.

Khan (King) Noonien Singh

Hmmmm.... King Singh



"You better be good or we will send you to King Singh."
"Don't you mean 'Sing Sing'?"
"No, trust us, King Singh is worse.".

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, I was quoting Juliet in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet.

But your information is very interesting indeed.

And that makes Khan's origin vaguely oriental. How do we know that his name is of any significance though and not the Asian equivalent of someone named "king" in our culture? As in Martin Luther King for example?

I've at times wondered if Khan was a title he took for himself and his actual name was Noonien Singh.

The comic book of Star Trek: Khan would certainly seem to support that, and I for one, favor that notion. It's certainly not unreasonable.
Genghis Khan (Genghis, King)
Kublai Khan (Kublai, King)
Contrast those with the fictional name/honorific of Theoden King in LotR.

Khan (King) Noonien Singh

Hmmmm.... King Singh



"You better be good or we will send you to King Singh."
"Don't you mean 'Sing Sing'?"
"No, trust us, King Singh is worse.".

This seems appropriate here:

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a shame none of these highly intelligent supermen could operate a sewing machine with any skill.

 

[martok2112]

Fireproof and Nerys Myk. Good ones!

 

[BigJake]

It's a shame none of these highly intelligent supermen could operate a sewing machine with any skill.

We should ask the cosplayers how easy those costumes are to replicate before we judge.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a shame none of these highly intelligent supermen could operate a sewing machine with any skill.

We should ask the cosplayers how easy those costumes are to replicate before we judge.

Given that many seem to be made out of upholstery and odds and ends, we might ask some of the TOS costume makers too, given what the Cage landing team jackets were made out of

 

[Jedi_Master]

I wonder how long they had to spend applying makeup on Montalban's chest between takes.

 

[kirkfan]

I wonder how long they had to spend applying makeup on Montalban's chest between takes.

What are you implying?

 

[Jedi_Master]

That his pecs are incredibly smooth, and have a fantastically even skin tone.

 

[BigJake]

That man's pecs were truly wondrous. There's no doubting it.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Apparently it was part of the genetic engineering, the same that gave ol' Benny such a fantastic jaw.

 

[Franklin]

That his pecs are incredibly smooth, and have a fantastically even skin tone.

That man's pecs were truly wondrous. There's no doubting it.

They were real, and they were spectacular.

 

[Jeyl]

To quote Nicholas Meyer, "This guy works out."

 

[eyeresist]

No, I think every morning he stood before the mirror and grandly announced "I am Ricardo Montelban!" And then his chest sort of expanded naturally. It's a kind of super power.

 

[T'Girl]

Supposedly Montelban would drop to the floor inbetween takes and do push ups to keep his chest pumped up.