My gripe about ST6:TUC

[Holytomato]

I read the Ghostbusters final shooting script and I was ROFL to the parts that stayed in the movie.

American Pie's script is what the movie should have been.

Data's Trial episode works better if the scenes from script hadn't been cut.

In other words: I use my imagination.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Holytomato said:
Data's Trial episode works better if the scenes from script hadn't been cut.

But you don't know that they'd play better onscreen than the episode did, as aired. TV shows run to a strict time limit, and to a budget. Scripts and novelizations, on their own, as a piece of literature, don't have to.

 

[Broccoli]

Anthony said:
Therefore, how could they insert apocryphal events into a movie from that ridiculous ep [which showed Valtane dying WHEN he was obviously alive at the end of TUC] when they occured later?

I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up:

In the beginning of TUC, Valtane strolls up to Sulu and they begin to discuss some ship thing. The Excelsior begins to rumble and they show reaction shots from the various bridge members. In one of those shots, we clearly see Valtane on the opposite side of the bridge, when it the next shot he is right by Sulu's side. There is no way anyone could be at two places at once, so this indicates that there is another crewmember that looks like Valtane on the ship and he was the one we see at the end of the movie.

In reality, this was probably just a small continuity goof with the film, but it does give an escape route for the "Flashback" episode.

 

[Unicron]

Or maybe Tuvok's memory wasn't quite perfect...

 

[Therin of Andor]

Broccoli said:
this was probably just a small continuity goof with the film, but it does give an escape route for the "Flashback" episode.

It also helps that, although "Flashback" calls him Dmitri, a previous DC Comics storyline, about Sulu's first command, gave Valtane a different first name.

 

[Kryton]

Which was? (Don't make me dig it up 'cause I probably can, given time....)

 

[David cgc]

Isn't is so lucky that the Valtane twins not only got assigned to the same ship, but both had bridge posts? Sadly, this familial accomplishment would soon be dampened by tragedy....

 

[Data Holmes]

I'm forced to ask myself why people find the concept that Valtane didn't die so hard to grasp.

 

[Therin of Andor]

David cgc said:
Isn't is so lucky that the Valtane twins not only got assigned to the same ship, but both had bridge posts? Sadly, this familial accomplishment would soon be dampened by tragedy....

Not without precedent. See the Asmund twins in the "Stargazer" novel series.

More fortunate were the Delaney sisters in VOY. (However, Taurik (TNG) and Vorik (VOY) were split by assignments - and quadrants!)

 

[Sharr Khan]

hutt359 said:
I'm forced to ask myself why people find the concept that Valtane didn't die so hard to grasp.

Easily done, had he not appeared as plain as day at the end of Trek VI on the Enterprise viewer - something that had to have happened following Sulu's little encounter with Kang.

Me, I'll stick with Tuvok's perfect Vulcan mind being slightly broken and miss remembering what happened.

Sharr

 

[Data Holmes]

Sharr Khan said:

hutt359 said:
I'm forced to ask myself why people find the concept that Valtane didn't die so hard to grasp.

Easily done, had he not appeared as plain as day at the end of Trek VI on the Enterprise viewer - something that had to have happened following Sulu's little encounter with Kang.

Me, I'll stick with Tuvok's perfect Vulcan mind being slightly broken and miss remembering what happened.

Sharr

Ok, I guess I'll have to explain it in long form.

The Bug which was in valtane's head, jumped into tuvok right before he died. Thirty seconds later the med techs arrived on the bridge and took valtane down to sickbay where they treated him for his injuries. The bug wouldn't have cared if valtane actually died or not, just that he was injured and that he was going to die.

This is also why valtane looks just a little off in that last scene, he wasn't 100% at that point, but felt he had to be on the bridge to show respect to the living legends of Kirk and crew.


So it all went down, Valtane dies, bug jumps, tuvok infected, valtane alive on the excelsior bridge for the last scene.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^That makes sense...

 

[Data Holmes]

Peach Wookiee said:
^That makes sense...

Indeed, and it is what I always thought from day one of seeing the eps... Which is why I just can't understand this constant bitch fighting about twins, faulty memory, and how the Beebs didn't do their homework.


Shit, people have been brought back from "death" after half an hour... or more, and thats today.

 

[StewMc]

So if the first Valtane survived, what happened to the second one? Where was he when the rest of the bridge crew were on the the Enterprise's screen at the end of the film?

 

[Data Holmes]

StewMc said:
So if the first Valtane survived, what happened to the second one? Where was he when the rest of the bridge crew were on the the Enterprise's screen at the end of the film?

Nice try, but it's as simple as He took two steps from the captains chair to his station to see what was going on...


A bad cut, does not twins make.

 

[StewMc]

Spoilsport.

 

[Maurice]

Wait, but as I recall, we see Valtane standing alongside Sulu, the ship shakes, we see Valtane in his chair, then we see him leave Sulu's side and go to his seat. That's nothing but a cock-up.