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My gravest movie misgivings: toy writers

Admiral2 said:
Obviously, no one else will say it, so I will.

All this hand-wringing over Kurtzman and Orci is misplaced. They're not the real issue. The Director is.

In Transformers, they delivered the screenplay Michael Bay wanted as the framework for his movie. For Trek XI, they will deliver the screenplay that JJ Abrams wants as the framework for his movie.

So, for me, the real question is, will Kurtzman and Orci go from having delivered a movie that actually entertained me to delivering a movie based on the will of the guy that created the La Femme Nikita knockoff, the Gilligans-Island-with-Polar Bears soap opera and gave us Mission: Tom Cruise-looking-intense-while-stuff-blows-up Three?

My worry is that the answer is YES.

Of course, anyone who likes JJ Abrams should not have any problem. K & O will deliver.

You forgot Felicity.
 
A beaker full of death said:
Actually, the guys whose names appeared as writers of STVI had almost nothing to do with it, per Nimoy's I Am Spock.

And frankly, I didn't care for STVI.

True, but there are 3 sides to every story and that was Nimoys. The version from the other two guys is quite different.

So, I don't necessarily believe any of them. :-)
 
Brutal Strudel said:
Admiral2 said:
Obviously, no one else will say it, so I will.

All this hand-wringing over Kurtzman and Orci is misplaced. They're not the real issue. The Director is.

In Transformers, they delivered the screenplay Michael Bay wanted as the framework for his movie. For Trek XI, they will deliver the screenplay that JJ Abrams wants as the framework for his movie.

So, for me, the real question is, will Kurtzman and Orci go from having delivered a movie that actually entertained me to delivering a movie based on the will of the guy that created the La Femme Nikita knockoff, the Gilligans-Island-with-Polar Bears soap opera and gave us Mission: Tom Cruise-looking-intense-while-stuff-blows-up Three?

My worry is that the answer is YES.

Of course, anyone who likes JJ Abrams should not have any problem. K & O will deliver.

You forgot Felicity.

You mean the college girl whining series? I didn't forget it. I just didn't know it was an Abrams joint. ('Course, now it makes perfect sense...)
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Orci and Kurtzman producers for this film as well?
 
^ Doesn't matter. They're still serving the Director's needs. Which means the big problem is JJ.

But, everybody here is desperate to treat him like God so obviously that can't be right, right? :rolleyes: Obviously, the A-holes are the guys who had the nerve to write Transformers.
 
^^^
I don't think anyone is treating JJ like a god, just the hot, young, Hollywoodland producer, writer, and director he is. Let's face it, career wise, this guy it at the top in Tinseltown.

Call me crazy, but I see that as a good thing.
 
I said this in another thread but it bears repeating here vis-a-vis whether I'll see this film: I'll see it if the clips, previews and advance critical word make it look like it will be worth my time. If it looks like shit, I won't see it. That's the way I decide if I'll see any movie. Trek gets neither a free pass nor a hard way to go.

By comparison, I'm a fanatical Philip K. Dick fan. I nearly ruptured myself waiting for the long delayed adapatation of A Scanner Darkly because all indicators made it look like it would be the best PKD movie yet--and, in many ways, it was. Next (based on a PKD short story, "The Golden Man"), however, looked like crap and I still haven't bothered to see it.

I will add, however, that nothing I've heard so far about Trek XI makes me particularly hopeful. I really wish Hollywood would let it rest for many, many years if not forever.
 
Seeing as how J.J. Abrams and Alex Kurtzman both claim to be fans of TOS exclusively, I'm not worried. Considering they've brought back Leonard Nimoy to reprise his role as an older Spock and have hired a decent new actor that actually looks like Nimoy to play his younger self, I have faith in this new film. Because Nimoy has gone on record as claiming the script is great and not as boring as TNG or the rest of modern Trek, and because Abrams has said he is desperately trying to figure out a way to bring William Shatner into the film, indicating he shares the same fears as those saying Shatner can't be brought back for this movie and thus won't do it unless it works, I am very excited about this new film.

Obviously final judgment is reserved until the completed draft of this movie is seen, but so far so good.
 
Plum said:
^^^
I don't think anyone is treating JJ like a god, just the hot, young, Hollywoodland producer, writer, and director he is. Let's face it, career wise, this guy it at the top in Tinseltown.

The top of a mountain of shit is still the top of a mountain of shit.

Remember that now. ;)
 
Mariner Class said:
Plum said:
^^^
I don't think anyone is treating JJ like a god, just the hot, young, Hollywoodland producer, writer, and director he is. Let's face it, career wise, this guy it at the top in Tinseltown.

The top of a mountain of shit is still the top of a mountain of shit.

Remember that now. ;)

:guffaw: I'll remember!
 
just a thought here: what if it is crap, and is wildly successful? What will the haters do then?
 
seigezunt said:
just a thought here: what if it is crap, and is wildly successful? What will the haters do then?

Go back to watching The Phantom Menace for the 14,000th time, just to be sure they still hate it.

TPM is the ultimate sucks-yet-moneymaking example for many SciFi fans.
 
seigezunt said:
just a thought here: what if it is crap, and is wildly successful? What will the haters do then?

It can't be both, unless it was written by Frank Miller.
 
seigezunt said:
just a thought here: what if it is crap, and is wildly successful? What will the haters do then?

They'll keep hating it. Some ST fans hate TAS, others TMP, others ST II, some TOS fans still reject TNG... and so on.
 
Mariner Class said:
seigezunt said:
just a thought here: what if it is crap, and is wildly successful? What will the haters do then?

It can't be both, unless it was written by Frank Miller.

Pfffffft :lol:

That was funny. :D
 
Leonard Nimoy says that the script is great and that these guys understand the characters....and remember he refused to do Generations because they didnt know how to write for his character (or Kirk in his opinion)

Transformers was about as good as you can get for a 'toy' movie. But when you look at MI3...that film had far more depth of character than the previous two MI films...it was certainly the best script of the three

but some people have made up their minds. However I suggest maybe open your mind to the possibility that Nimoy is right...and maybe wait to make up your mind when you see more....or maybe wait until you see the movie!
 
PowderedToastMan said:
Leonard Nimoy says that the script is great and that these guys understand the characters....and remember he refused to do Generations because they didnt know how to write for his character (or Kirk in his opinion)

Transformers was about as good as you can get for a 'toy' movie. But when you look at MI3...that film had far more depth of character than the previous two MI films...it was certainly the best script of the three

but some people have made up their minds. However I suggest maybe open your mind to the possibility that Nimoy is right...and maybe wait to make up your mind when you see more....or maybe wait until you see the movie!

Hey hey hey, I'm not in any haters camp.

I'm just lowering them from their assigned pedestal of "Trek Saviors" to their normal standing of "Average Hollywood Schmucks." No hating involved. ;)

And I liked TF, for the most part (mostly because Steve was involved.)
 
well I have met these 'schmuks' and they are pretty nice guys and bonafied Trekkies and certainly total nerds. If they werent big time writers they would be no different than the rest of us schmoes

...and to an extent they and Abrams really are 'saviors' in that they used their clout at Paramount to get Trek back to the front burner with a big budget movie. That is something very few people thought would happen this decade.

We will see if they deliver...but indications are they are on the right track. If they can make something as stupid as Transformers play to the masses and satisfy (most) of the fanboys....then they arent too shabby. But as I said before...MI3 is probably a closer model for trek
 
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