My gravest movie misgivings: toy writers
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This is exactly the problem. What a sad statement. It's something I'd expect from a network suit.
Crap is ALWAYS going to be popular. This is a question of quality.
Balls. We need educated, literate writers.
GodThingFormerly
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We? WE?! As difficult as it may be for you to grasp the concept, Kemosabe, not every poster at TrekBBS.com suffered through the tragedy of an iodine-deficient childhood.
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No, we just need writers capable of writing a GOOD script. And given that Leonard Nimoy has signed on, and says he likes what they've come up with; that is a plus in my book.
Why? Because Nimoy DOESN'T need the money, and has only endorsed Star Trek projects he liked (as you'll recall he passed on Star Trek: Generations entirely).
Does that guarentee this will be a good film? No. But it's a positive sign imo.
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Not unless they're young enough to have clue how to write a big-budget movie people will pay money to see.
Of the movies there, I haven't seen Zorro (but have heard from friends whose opinions I trust that it wasn't as good as the first film), thought The Island and M:I3 were pretty piss-poor in terms of story for all their flash, and felt Transformers would have been vastly improved if there had been no human characters at all and was instead just 30 minutes or so of ILM graphics-wankery of giant robots turning into things and fighting each other. (And more Barricade, because that Mustang was one damn awesome car.
)Sometimes surprises are possible - based on their past work, who would have expected writers whose credits included Bonanza, Barnaby Jones, Jason Of Star Command, Invasion Of The Bee Girls and The Bionic Dog to come up with The Wrath Of Khan? But considering that The Island, M:I3 and Transformers are all very recent and can reasonably be considered representative of Kurtzman and Orci's abilities as 'hot' writers... I'm forced to reserve judgement on Trek XI. Remember what happened the last time they gave a 'hot' (Oscar-winning, no less) screenwriter a Star Trek movie?
(And for what it's worth, I don't think JJ Abrams is exactly the second coming either. M:I3 was mediocre at best.)
Well, that explains quite a bit...
This is definitely a worrisome development. I do worry about the prior work of the writers. The writing in the aforementioned shows/movies was terrible. Maybe they will surprise us, but the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
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I found Transformers to be poorly paced, full of juvenille jokes and humor that was poorly executed. Also, the practice of having a guge climatic battle every 10 minutes was anoying as hell. I was very afraid for Trek. Then I hear Leonard gushing over the script. Nimoy is pretty picky when it comes to Trek and the fact that he thinks it's fantastic gives me hope.
^ Good point. Nimoy long ago said he'd retired and that he'd never put on the ears again. The fact that he's willing to do so is a very positive sign.
jayrath, I could have been going for absurdist humor. I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm.
Let me be serious: There seem to be many people on this board who have already pre-determined that ST:XI will suck, or likely will suck, or could quite well suck. They seem to go out of their way to find ways to prove that the movie will suck. The one in this thread, that the screenwriters are young, not giants in the field of science fiction writing, is just the latest. And all of this is before a single frame of film has been shot, before the movie has been cast, before we know anything but rumors and inuendo. This level of animosity when wrapped in ignorance is as absurd as dismissing ST:XI because of the contents of the craft services truck. That was my point and I will stand by it.
I must be really old fashioned but I'm going to wait until I watch ST:XI to tell you whether I think it's good or sucks.
jayrath, I could have been going for absurdist humor. I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm.
Let me be serious: There seem to be many people on this board who have already pre-determined that ST:XI will suck, or likely will suck, or could quite well suck. They seem to go out of their way to find ways to prove that the movie will suck. The one in this thread, that the screenwriters are young, not giants in the field of science fiction writing, is just the latest. And all of this is before a single frame of film has been shot, before the movie has been cast, before we know anything but rumors and inuendo. This level of animosity when wrapped in ignorance is as absurd as dismissing ST:XI because of the contents of the craft services truck. That was my point and I will stand by it.
I must be really old fashioned but I'm going to wait until I watch ST:XI to tell you whether I think it's good or sucks.
The cynicism from many of us is not unfounded and fueled by many, many disappointments with the Trek franchise going back decades. For many of us Trek has a terrible track rrecord and we no longer accept anything on faith from TPTB.
I honestly don't know if this newest project will suck, but I sure as hell wouldn't be surprised if it does.
Part of me longs for the days so long ago when I had a great deal of optimisim iin regarrds to Trek, but TPTB and so many involved with the franchise have thoroughly destroyed that optimism through countless broken promises and just plain bad work.
Afraid I gotta agree with you, Warped 9. As far as this next film is concerned, I am open but not hopeful. And now that I see thet the writers of Transformers are involved, I'm not all that very open.
But you know what? So what? If all Trek ever gave us was the original three seasons and movies I & II, I'd say it gave us a lot. None of the shit (and the rare non-shit, like DS9) that has come down the pipe since then can add or subtract from that. (And neither can rush-job CGI do-overs.
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But you know what? So what? If all Trek ever gave us was the original three seasons and movies I & II, I'd say it gave us a lot. None of the shit (and the rare non-shit, like DS9) that has come down the pipe since then can add or subtract from that. (And neither can rush-job CGI do-overs.
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True enough. How many shows give us even one good season let alone two and a half and some. Hell, if I include the stuff I actually like from TNG and DS9 I could even get another season collectively out of that. Few shows have ever given me as much as I've gotten from Star Trek.Brutal Strudel said:
Afraid I gotta agree with you, Warped 9. As far as this next film is concerned, I am open but not hopeful. And now that I see thet the writers of Transformers are involved, I'm not all that very open.
But you know what? So what? If all Trek ever gave us was the original three seasons and movies I & II, I'd say it gave us a lot. None of the shit (and the rare non-shit, like DS9) that has come down the pipe since then can add or subtract from that. (And neither can rush-job CGI do-overs.