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Must a Vulcan MC "lose control"?

The mumbo jumbo line is probably a call back to a similar line in STIII about "Vulcan mysticism.

Vulcans are supposed to be alien and mysterious in their ways. But to quote Oliver Queen, its a loud kind of mysterious. :lol:
 
In any event, I believe the initial intentions behind the creation of the Vulcans were good. As for how the franchise developed in later series? It seems strange to include a race firmly established as both generally benevolent and a founder of The United Federation of Planets only to have them regularly mocked on the sly (or even overtly).

I'm not sure that the Vulcans were portrayed as all that benevolent on TOS. The very first time we ever saw Vulcans other than Spock, and full-blooded Vulcans at that, T'Pring was plotting to get Kirk or Spock killed to escape an arranged marriage. And the second time we saw other Vulcans, in "Journey to Babel," Sarek wasn't speaking to his son, was concealing a serious heart condition from his wife, and ended up suspected of murder, with even Spock conceding that his father was perfectly capable of killing in cold blood if he had a "logical" reason to do so.

Those were first two Vulcan-themed episodes ever aired, so It's not as though they started out being portrayed in positive manner. They were shady as hell the first few times we met them, back in the sixties.

(And I'm not sure, but I believe the idea that the Vulcans helped found the Federation is a relatively modern notion -- that wasn't established onscreen until the nineties or so? I don't recall it ever being mentioned on TOS.)
 
(And I'm not sure, but I believe the idea that the Vulcans helped found the Federation is a relatively modern notion -- that wasn't established onscreen until the nineties or so? I don't recall it ever being mentioned on TOS.)

Doing a quick search, it says that it wasn't mentioned until "These are the Voyages", but I swear it got a mention in TNG.
 
@Greg Cox @BillJ From Gambit, Part 2

PICARD: You'll never get away with this. Starfleet will never stand and watch you tear apart one of the founding worlds of the Federation.
TALLERA: How little you understand what you're facing, Captain. You're used to fighting enemies like yourself. People on ships with defence shields, energy weapons, warp drives. But this is unlike anything you've ever faced. This is the power of the mind. Pick up the phaser, Captain.

 
Successfully pulling off an "emotionless" individual - who has layers to his or her personality - is a considerable display of talent; there is a reason why the industry isn't flooded with masterful portrayals of Vulcans (and other stoic races).

Definitely. When done right, as by Nimoy or Mark Lenard, you can see the powerful emotions beneath the stoic facade, but it can be too easy to portray Vulcans as flat, robotic mannequins with no personality.

(Anthony Hopkins also brilliantly pulls this off in The Remains of the Day, to heartbreaking effect.)
 
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And I'm not sure, but I believe the idea that the Vulcans helped found the Federation is a relatively modern notion -- that wasn't established onscreen until the nineties or so? I don't recall it ever being mentioned on TOS.
Doing a quick search, it says that it wasn't mentioned until "These are the Voyages", but I swear it got a mention in TNG.
The first canonical reference to Vulcan being a founding member of the Federation was Enterprise's Zero Hour. Even tie-in materials didn't mention it until the 80s, IIRC. It certainly was never mentioned on TOS at all.
 
The one thing that Enterprise got absolutely right, was that Vulcans are assholes.

And yet fans routinely excoriated it for "character assassinating" the Vulcans. Drove me nuts, considering how they were actually portrayed on TOS . . . compared to the idealized, rose-colored conception that much of fandom seemed to embrace later on.

Just because Spock is admirable doesn't mean that Vulcans in general should be seen as role models.
 
And yet fans routinely excoriated it for "character assassinating" the Vulcans. Drove me nuts, considering how they were actually portrayed on TOS . . . compared to the idealized, rose-colored conception that much of fandom seemed to embrace later on.

Just because Spock is admirable doesn't mean that Vulcans in general should be seen as role models.
As one of those people I apologize.
 
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