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Murder of TNG?

There are many shows much better than Star Trek. Star Trek is just my universe of choice so it means I will always enjoy Star Trek more than things that may be "better".

Yes. My point exactly.

And Cop Rock is garbage. I'd forgotten about it untill now.
 
So how do we define cancellation?

A show is considered cancelled when the creative team behind the show wish to contiue with it but the studio/network does not.

Also keep in mind that TNG and DS9 were not on a network, they were syndicated. So a show conntracted to a network can be cancelled if the network does not want it anymore. In syndication Paramount sold the show to many independant stations and those fee's sustained the shows production. If a show does badly, independant stations drop the show, and the studios income to make the show goes down. The studio (Paramount in this case) makes the decision when to cancel the show based on the profit to cost ratio they want to have.

On a network when they cancel a show, the studio that makes it then needs to decide if the show has enough potential to be shopped to another network, it is rare they do it, but has been known to happen on a few occations. In Enterprise's case UPN and the Studio were same company . In the case of TNG, the independant stations still wanted TNG and the demand was still there, but Berman, Paramount and the others wanted to end the show.

Also the as how like TNG the cost of making it was going up each year. Contracts with a lot of the cast had to be extended past the 6 year contract most of them had. Other productions and post-production costs also rose so the profit to cost ratio was starting to shrink. There was a huge fear that Stewart would not return aftert he 6th season.
 
...It is the fans who lost the power struggle with the networks, who want to make boring shows that their poorly educated executives and hack writers can understand. So TNG was canceled over the objections of one part of the creative team - the fans.


Neither TNG nor DS9 ran on a network. They were syndicated.

As already pointed out, a show is "cancelled" when a network decides they don't want it any more.

Another network may pick it up, but it's still counted as having been "cancelled" by the earlier carrier.

TNG wasn't a network show, and it wasn't cancelled by anyone. The powers that be decided to end it and replace it with Voyager, which then DID run on the [then] new UPN network.

Also, the fans aren't part of the creative team. They're on the receiving end of what the creative team comes up with.

I think you know all this, don't you?
 
...In Enterprise's case UPN and the Studio were same company...

Not really.

Paramount created UPN, but Paramount was then bought by the company that owned the TV network CBS.

CBS was given control of the UPN network, and so Paramount Pictures lost control of the United Paramount Network. (This is why when UPN later merged with the WB, the resulting network was called "The CW" rather than "The WP". CBS removed the Paramount name from the TV side entirely, and inserted their "C" in place of the "P".)

Paramount Pictures had nothing to say about the ending of Enterprise, because the powers that be at CBS cancelled the show. They were in charge of the network, and Paramount no longer was.

Also, CBS took ownership of all of Star Trek away from Paramount, and then Paramount was jettisoned off when CBS split into at least two separate companies. Paramount ended up owned by the new company that did not own Trek.
 
...In Enterprise's case UPN and the Studio were same company...

Not really.

Paramount created UPN, but Paramount was then bought by the company that owned the TV network CBS.

CBS was given control of the UPN network, and so Paramount Pictures lost control of the United Paramount Network. (This is why when UPN later merged with the WB, the resulting network was called "The CW" rather than "The WP". CBS removed the Paramount name from the TV side entirely, and inserted their "C" in place of the "P".)

Paramount Pictures had nothing to say about the ending of Enterprise, because the powers that be at CBS cancelled the show. They were in charge of the network, and Paramount no longer was.

Also, CBS took ownership of all of Star Trek away from Paramount, and then Paramount was jettisoned off when CBS split into at least two separate companies. Paramount ended up owned by the new company that did not own Trek.

Not True, your timing is off.

During Enterprise's entire run, Paramount Studios, CBS and UPN were owned by Viacom as controled by Summer Redstone and Les Moonves. It was not until after Enterprise ended in 2005 that the comany was split (completed in 2006) into the now seperate Viacom and CBS. When the comanies split CBS was given total control of Star Trek while Paramount Studios under Viacom currently holds the rights to create Star Trek movies, they do pay CBS a license fee for that right. After the split UPN (as now owned by CBS not Viacom anymore) was just about dead in the water until Moonves hatched a deal with Warner Brothers to merge UPN and the WB to create the CW. Some have speculated that the planned (but as of yet unannounced) split of Viacom may have helped put a nail (and there were a few nails) in the Enterprise's coffin.

I'm curious, how many people here were around during TNG's original run 87-94? Just seems like there is some misinformation floating around.
 
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The percentage of fans who worked on the show is probably too small be be called "a lot".

A lot is still a lot regardless of percentage though. There are a lot of words on this page although they are nothing compared to all the words in the world. :vulcan:
 
At times the fans were able to exert some influence on their favorite show, but I agree this does not make them part of the creative team.
 
The percentage of fans who worked on the show is probably too small be be called "a lot".

A lot is still a lot regardless of percentage though. There are a lot of words on this page although they are nothing compared to all the words in the world. :vulcan:

When you start working on the show, you stop being a fan- you become part of the creative team. Fans are not on the creative team. That's why they are fans and not employees. Look, do you want me to draw a Venn diagram?
 
The percentage of fans who worked on the show is probably too small be be called "a lot".

A lot is still a lot regardless of percentage though. There are a lot of words on this page although they are nothing compared to all the words in the world. :vulcan:

When you start working on the show, you stop being a fan- you become part of the creative team. Fans are not on the creative team. That's why they are fans and not employees. Look, do you want me to draw a Venn diagram?

I would, but I love a good Venn diagram.
 
The "creative team" of TNG includes the fans.

No, it really doesn't.

It's the fans who've basically been at war with the networks since TOS: the networks constantly want to cancel or destroy or ruin good Trek shows

In what alternate universe?

and the fans constantly advocate for better Trek shows.

As do fans of any show.

It's the fans who try and fight for continuity, for logic, for interest, for entertainment. From the network's point of view, they'd rather not worry about logic or quality or consistency at all.

Again, in what alternate universe? Admittedly, their priority is profit and entertainment over logic, but no network sets out to kill successful shows.

It is the fans who lost the power struggle with the networks, who want to make boring shows that their poorly educated executives and hack writers can understand.

Huh?

And your definition of a "hack" writer is...?

So TNG was canceled over the objections of one part of the creative team - the fans.

Again, huh?

A Season Eight would have been very difficult to make profitable with renegotiated contracts of the actors taking too much of the overall budget.
 
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