multiple transporter rooms on TOS Enterprise

[Sci]

I'll never understand "strict constructionists."
If it's not in the Constitution, you can't do that.

If they had adhered to this idea, the Constitutional Republic we used to have would still be here rather than this modified socialist/totaltarian state we currently find ourselves in.

You mean the constitutional republic where blacks were either only 3/4ths of a person or were severely discriminated against? Where women weren't allowed to vote, and God help you if you were LGBT? Where the state governments could walk all over the federal Bill of Rights because no court had yet decided that the Federal constitution limited state governments? Where a handful of people experienced upwards mobility, but the rest of the time, if you were born poor, you were working in the mine shafts and factories by the time you were six and stuck in the working class the rest of your life even as a handful of families controlled all of the wealth? Where if you were a Native American who dared to stand up for your tribe's right to live in its ancestral homeland, you were either shot or forcibly relocated?

That constitutional republic?

Yeah, I know, we're so much less free than we used to be!

 

[JB2005]

I'll never understand "strict constructionists."
If it's not in the Constitution, you can't do that.

If they had adhered to this idea, the Constitutional Republic we used to have would still be here rather than this modified socialist/totaltarian state we currently find ourselves in.

You mean the constitutional republic where blacks were either only 3/4ths of a person or were severely discriminated against? Where women weren't allowed to vote, and God help you if you were LGBT? Where the state governments could walk all over the federal Bill of Rights because no court had yet decided that the Federal constitution limited state governments? Where a handful of people experienced upwards mobility, but the rest of the time, if you were born poor, you were working in the mine shafts and factories by the time you were six and stuck in the working class the rest of your life even as a handful of families controlled all of the wealth? Where if you were a Native American who dared to stand up for your tribe's right to live in its ancestral homeland, you were either shot or forcibly relocated?

That constitutional republic?

Yeah, I know, we're so much less free than we used to be!

He's right, why oh why did you ever leave the empire? :P

 

[JD]

If they had adhered to this idea, the Constitutional Republic we used to have would still be here rather than this modified socialist/totaltarian state we currently find ourselves in.

But then on the other hand, now that I think about it, given the evidence in Star Trek V, it would seem that one personnel transporter is all there is. Scotty is working on the transporter in a single room. Even if there are others, one transporter room offline wouldn't shut the others down (if there were others). Each would be on a separate circuit...not in series like Xmas tree lights.

As far as evac, navy ships of today don't have lifeboat capability to evac the entire crew in seconds.....don't see why the big E would either.

The Enterprise in STV was a different one than the one in the series, so that really doesn't have any impact on the discussion of the ship from the series.
As for the Big-E vs modern navy I ship, I'm pretty sure if they had the ability to carry enough lifeboats to evac the whole crew than they would. It's pretty much just a matter of can't, not won't.

 

[aelius]

I'll never understand "strict constructionists."
If it's not in the Constitution, you can't do that.

If they had adhered to this idea, the Constitutional Republic we used to have would still be here rather than this modified socialist/totaltarian state we currently find ourselves in.

You mean the constitutional republic where blacks were either only 3/4ths of a person or were severely discriminated against? Where women weren't allowed to vote, and God help you if you were LGBT? Where the state governments could walk all over the federal Bill of Rights because no court had yet decided that the Federal constitution limited state governments? Where a handful of people experienced upwards mobility, but the rest of the time, if you were born poor, you were working in the mine shafts and factories by the time you were six and stuck in the working class the rest of your life even as a handful of families controlled all of the wealth? Where if you were a Native American who dared to stand up for your tribe's right to live in its ancestral homeland, you were either shot or forcibly relocated?

That constitutional republic?

Yeah, I know, we're so much less free than we used to be!

That constitutional republic has evolved by the method that the framers wisely built into the Constitution. The amendment process. As our society has advanced we have used the amendment process to bring our laws forward with us. As long as people use the amendment process the law stays in tune with society. When people start bypassing the process to say the constitution is a "living document" that can be changed by legislative or judicial fiat, there is a problem.
The constitution explicitly states what powers are delegated to what branches of govt. It carefully delineates what powers the federal govt has, what powers the states have, and what rights are reserved to individuals. The problem today is that many people ignore those limits to get their pet causes through, ignoring the damage this does to the overall rule of law.
After all, if you can ignore the constitution in a "good cause", the precedent is set for it to be ignored for less noble causes.
However, this is way OT. As Chris said, the multiple transporter rooms fit just fine on the blueprints that I purchased, lo those many years ago...

 

[Timo]

But then on the other hand, now that I think about it, given the evidence in Star Trek V, it would seem that one personnel transporter is all there is. Scotty is working on the transporter in a single room. Even if there are others, one transporter room offline wouldn't shut the others down (if there were others). Each would be on a separate circuit...not in series like Xmas tree lights.

That logic isn't watertight. It could easily be argued that originally, the ship had no transporter capacity because all the individual transporter rooms were down - and that Scotty had his hands full trying to make one of them work. He did manage that, just in time for the Sha Ka Ree beam-down - after which the Klingons hit the ship, and damaged the centralized machinery that all the transporter rooms rely on. Or at least the particular circuit that served the one transporter room that Scotty had managed to get working.

In other words, ST5:TFF wasn't a case of a bunch of operable transporters all becoming inoperable at the same time: it was a case of a ship launching without any operable transporters, and one of them briefly becoming operable thanks to the valiant efforts of Scotty.

Whether the transporters would be on separate circuits would depend on details of technical feasibility. Most of what we saw in TOS would suggest that state of the art 2260s technology only allows for a single circuit; 2280s might be the same.

2360s or 2370s tech doesn't seem to suffer from that sort of technical trouble, as we seldom get "transporters are damaged and our heroes are stranded" plots in TNG or DS9 - it's more typical to have "transporters don't work because of the anomaly of the week". ST:NEM would seem to be our one exception...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Scout101]

^which, like the rest of the movie, is really just a re-dress of the TOS problem