Movie Blurays: Pros and Cons

[Cheapjack]

Look all that way through the article. Look at those algorithms. Look at the comparisons.

And, they say at the end 'near bluray quality'. Even they admit it's not perfect. 'Near bluray quality' is what those ST movies are. You could, if you had the money, reinvest in all your movies again and buy again on bluray. It's cheaper just to do this. How much do these ST movies cost? Do you think CBS Paramount know their address? They are a film company, you know, they might have heard of them and there may be even more, better ones in America.

Your just winding me up. If you can't see the light after reading that article, seeing the math, looking at the comparisons, you must be. They've just processed the standard DVD's.

 

[Sparky]

Yes, it can, and they've done it. They stuck a standard DVD in a bluray player on Channel 5's gadget show and it made up the four-six times more pixels. They do it. NASA do better things.

http://www.tgdaily.com/software-fea...s-to-hd-quality-with-gpu-accelerated-software

I've been reading since I was five. Please read back to me what this site name says.

Here, in case your browser crashes:

Fremont (CA) - A company called ArcSoft Inc. has developed a graphical upscaling software application. The program takes lesser quality video and converts it (upscales it) to HD video using advanced upscaling algorithms. These algorithms allow for realistic or life-like 1080p presentations from significantly lesser sources, such as those captured by cell phones. The extensive compute needs of the algorithms have been applied to the massively parallel GPU and Nvidia's CUDA software engine, allowing for real-time conversion and playback with an 80% lower CPU requirement.

Wow. That's so amazing. Is there anything on there that lets me compare quality at full resolution either as an image or a video? is there anything there that can prove their claim beyond their own words?

If not then that is far less "evidence" for your claim than the screenshots that were posted pages ago.

Oh wait! That page is not even for the company in question! You couldn't even be bothered to post a link to the actual company selling the software.

Well here is one.
http://www.arcsoft.com/en-us/software_title.asp?ProductCode=SIMHD

Not a very impressive sample video.

Oh, and unlike you. I can provide a link to an actual review.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-stream-gpgpu,2335-10.html

Not a very glowing review I would say.

 

[BillJ]

Look all that way through the article. Look at those algorithms. Look at the comparisons.

And, they say at the end 'near bluray quality'. Even they admit it's not perfect. 'Near bluray quality' is what those ST movies are. You could, if you had the money, reinvest in all your movies again and buy again on bluray. It's cheaper just to do this. How much do these ST movies cost? Do you think CBS Paramount know their address? They are a film company, you know, they might have heard of them and there may be even more, better ones in America.

Your just winding me up. If you can't see the light after reading that article, seeing the math, looking at the comparisons, you must be. They've just processed the standard DVD's.

This is from a Tom's Hardware.com article from April 2009, in regards to the ArcSoft program:

Although filters and post-processing do help an image, we’re extremely skeptical about any claims of turning a standard definition picture into one that’s even near the fidelity of high-definition.

A 1080p Blu-ray Disc is six times the resolution from a DVD, so how SimHD is able to make up for that difference -- at least what is perceptible to the eye -- is beyond us. The example image included by Nvidia and ArcSoft shows image tweaks, but not a shift in resolution (which is to be expected).

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-cuda-simhd-upscale-arcsoft,7458.html

Don't you think if people could get blu-ray quality out of a $29 'upscaling' player that blu-ray would've failed by now?

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Oh dear, Cheapjack, get the discs and a frickin' player - then watch them on a larger full HD panel. Then you'll know how idiotic you're making yourself appear.

 

[Cheapjack]

The review says that it works and there is room for improvement. And, I think, Paramount had a bit more money in the kitty and could have bought an even better one than that.

You lot have, for the last few days, categorically and completely denied that it is possible to upgrade any form of picture,cell phone, standard DVD, or otherwise. I've just provided proof you can and those screenshots looked good, to me.

Put a standard DVD in a bluray player, I don't think it will throw it back out again. $199 players can do it, you can software on the net that can do it. Imagine the budget paramount have and imagine how many trekkies there are. Sit around the board table. I bet it took them half an hour.

Lokai, I don't need an HD player. You can get HD on an iphone. You want me to sit and count the dots, one by one, on my Apple PC? There's two million of them, I can see them. You should be in Gauntanamo.

 

[Pingfah]

Your just winding me up. If you can't see the light after reading that article, seeing the math, looking at the comparisons, you must be. They've just processed the standard DVD's.

I'm sure this has probably been said already, but i'm not reading the whole thread. They have processed the DVD transfers, not the DVD. The transfers were done in 2000, well into the age of HD telecine machines.

 

[Cheapjack]

Crap. They haven't, Look at number 4. It's exactly the same balance colorwise, as my DVD copy. 1 is a bit more filmic, but you can make 625 line screencaps from a UK Tv show look more filmic on photoshop.

Why would they need to edge sharpen, as even the most hardened here admit they've done, if they were full whack HD anyway?

 

[Pingfah]

Why would they go to the trouble of upscaling it when they already have an HD transfer to draw from?

 

[Sparky]

The review actually states that the output looks worse than the original.

An iPhone is HD? Since when is 320x480 or 640x960 considered an HD resolution? If you can't even get basic facts straight no wonder you are so confused about the Trek blurays

 

[Cheapjack]

Pingfah,

Please give the website that details the supposed HD transfer in 1999 or 2000, when no one had heard of bluray and there was HDDVD too, and a format war and noone knew who was going to win it. Please give me the minutes of the meeting that decided this transfer.

Then look at all the seven sites I have listed. And make your mind up.

 

[Cheapjack]

The review actually states that the output looks worse than the original.

An iPhone is HD? Since when is 320x480 or 640x960 considered an HD resolution? If you can't even get basic facts straight no wonder you are so confused about the Trek blurays

You can get HD on an iphone now:

TV and video

• Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; Motion JPEG (M-JPEG) up to 35 Mbps, 1280 by 720 pixels, 30 frames per second, audio in ulaw, PCM stereo audio in .avi file format

Thank you.

 

[BillJ]

Pingfah,

Please give the website that details the supposed HD transfer in 1999 or 2000, when no one had heard of bluray and there was HDDVD too, and a format war and noone knew who was going to win it. Please give me the minutes of the meeting that decided this transfer.

Then look at all the seven sites I have listed. And make your mind up.

You do know that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both use essentially the same codecs and that HD development began in the 1980's right?

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Lokai, I don't need an HD player. You can get HD on an iphone. You want me to sit and count the dots, one by one, on my Apple PC? There's two million of them, I can see them. You should be in Gauntanamo.

How can you make a coherent, balanced judgement - any judgment - on discs you haven't actually seen?

 

[Cheapjack]

I have seen the discs. They have 'standard DVD' tippexed out, and 'special bluray edition', written in in felt-tip, over the top.



And, I've looked a trek core, too. For a year. I'll probably be looking a these blurays, when I get them, till about 2020.

 

[Sparky]

Pingfah,

Please give the website that details the supposed HD transfer in 1999 or 2000, when no one had heard of bluray and there was HDDVD too, and a format war and noone knew who was going to win it. Please give me the minutes of the meeting that decided this transfer.

Then look at all the seven sites I have listed. And make your mind up.

What does the Blu-Ray/HDDVD format war have anything to do with this conversation? As was posted many pages ago companies future proof.

You do realize that the current HDTV specifications were agreed upon in the early to mid 80's? Field testing of HDTV was in 1994 and the first public HDTV broadcasts were in 1996. Film companies have known since the mid 80's what the next television format was going to be. The DVD/BluRay format does not matter. They have known for years that 16:9, 1080p was going to be the next standard. High Resolution masters of films were being made before even DVD came out.(High resolution meaning masters that are still of higher resolution than Blu Ray) Many DVD's have actually been downscaled from their HD masters.

In short, yes even in 1999 or 2000 they would have made at least a 2K master. Then they could use that to make the DVD, broadcast version or any future disc format such as bluray or hddvd.

 

[Sparky]

Pingfah,

Please give the website that details the supposed HD transfer in 1999 or 2000, when no one had heard of bluray and there was HDDVD too, and a format war and noone knew who was going to win it. Please give me the minutes of the meeting that decided this transfer.

Then look at all the seven sites I have listed. And make your mind up.

You do know that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD both use essentially the same codecs and that HD development began in the 1980's right?

Damn BillJ, between this and our almost simultaneous posts about the upscaling software I think we are reading each others thoughts.

 

[Cheapjack]

I do know there was a 1250 line format too, in the 80's. The BBC shot in it. What will they do with them, i wonder? Is there some sort of converting software? Dashed if I know!

They would have had to save copies of all their films in both formats, wouldn't they? How would they know which one would win out? And, this is the first time I've heard of this supposed transfer, which there is no proof for at all, just conjecture and more than enough evidence, about ten sites worth, that they have just processed the standard 525 line DVD very well.

 

[JarodRussell]

They would have had to save copies of all their films in both formats, wouldn't they? How would they know which one would win out?

oh lol

 

[Cheapjack]

Do you know how much professional HD machines would have cost, in 1999? And how much does that program I cited cost?

Please give details of this 1999 HD telecine transfer and look at that DVD-HD conversion program again.

 

[Sparky]

They would have had to save copies of all their films in both formats, wouldn't they? How would they know which one would win out?

oh lol

lol is right....

What does the number of lines, or format it is in have to do with the master copy? I will give you a hint: NOTHING.