Most Underrated Character
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Most criticisms that are not about how she looks or the clothes she wears are that she's a bitch and she's too emotional.
On the first point, T'Pol wasn't supposed to be likable at the beginning. Her attitudes about humans were supposed to change. I bet most of the people who say she's a bitch stopped watching early in the show and never bothered watching the later seasons. I see her as female version of Mr Darcy, who also has a learning curve on overcoming snobbery. While T'Pol has her share of fanboys, I wonder why men don't put her on the same pedestal that women place Mr Darcy on. Do people have an unconscious double standard for women who display similar traits? Or women are just more forgiving of bad first impressions?
On the second criticism, some were unfairly using Spock at a litmus test for how all Vulcans act when he's just one person (but hey, we all do that when we stereotype). While the trellium addiction is an example of how they dropped the ball on execution, I can't understand how the idea that T'Pol is emotion for a Vulcan is in of itself bad. If anything, it makes her accomplishments more impressive. Home implies she was close to her father but he died young. Since her mom isn't the most understanding person, T'Pol probably went through more than half her life without a support system. Meaning no one to talk to if she had any problems (yes a sehlat helps but it doesn't replace a person). This must have been decades. The real miracle is that she isn't more messed up.
As an aside, it's a real tragedy T'Pol is so withdrawn. I'm sure Soval would have got help for her if he knew she had Pan'ar Syndrome but I can see why she didn't tell him. In fact, we as the audience knew as little about him in the first 3 seasons as she did.
I'm in the minority with you. He's my favorite character . I actually started watching the show because I'm a Bakula fan..but I stayed with the show for Reed, and to a lesser extent, Tucker.
I wish they'd explained in the series how he became a spy for Section 31 before he became a a part of the Enterprise crew
He did tell a Archer that he found that life "exciting" when he was a "young ensign".
i had to laugh during the "Fight or Flight" episode when Archer mentions to Trip and Hoshi how they don't know much about Reed. You'd think that a senior officer assigned to the first Warp 5 vessel would come highly recommended - and probably hand picked by the Captain. Didn't make sense that Archer knew nothing about him. In fact, he still didn't know much about him up until he invited him to breakfast (presumably for the first time) during "Minefield" , which was well past a year into the voyage.
I always thought Reed was awesome. I can't remember offhand all the times he was injured. But, he was directing Archer how to diffuse the Romulan minefield , even as he was pinned down with a spike impaled in his leg. And in Shockwave, where he intentionally allowed himself to be captured/beaten/interrogated to create a diversion for the others.
The irony of it all was that as badass as he was,,he suffered from motion sickness pretty easily.
I think we did actually learn a fair bit about Malcolm during the show. Do you mean you wanted more on his time with 31?
My assumption has always been that Malcolm, being a "by the book" kind of guy, just got disillusioned and frustrated with the intelligence service - since they seem to operate by their own rules and really answer to no one .
Pretty much agree with all of this. I don't think even Trip fared all that well in the character development department and he was by a large margin the most well rounded of the cast. Hoshi and Travis could've been replaced by cardboard cutouts or GCI and hardly anyone would notice.
I don't think Malcolm was ever given his own full episode to star in where he wasn't sharing the limelight (ie,Shuttle pod One) and even his involvement in s31--one of the few decisions in season 4 that still holds up for me--was B plot material. I think they just had no clue how to utilize him properly.
Montgomery had a reoccurring role on a TV show I followed religiously the season before Enterprise premiered and I had no idea it was the same actor until I accidentally came across it info on Wikipedia in 2010. Make of that what you will, but from the rare few times I've watched both episodes where he had any measurable dialogue, it's painful to sit through.
That said, I doubt Travis would've gotten much more development than he did even if they'd bothered casting an actor with talent above that of the current cast of The Young and the Restless.
I never understood this. Maybe it was because I wasn't especially fond of Archer in the first season, but I never saw T'Police as being bitch as much as she was....you know...right about things. Archer came across as an egotistical baby who wanted his way, and that was far less appealing than any coldness from T'Pol.
Agreed. Spock is also half-Vulcan who was raised by a human mother and was likely over-compensating to fit better into Vulcan society. Given T'Pol's peers' views on humans, there was likely a lot of prejudice still lurking even with the Federation in place.
Now, Tuvok is the closest to the everyman Vulcan in the whole of Star Trek canon. He had his emotional moments on occasional but he seemed less defined by them than the other two.
I'm not sure if Reed is underrated...isn't he considered a well rated character? Tucker had the most unexplored potential in my opinion. Though he played a bit of a doofus at times, they could have written him differently to make him more worldly and intellectual. Just because someone has a twang doesn't mean they're not well-learned and knowledgeable. Especially on a space-vessel in the 22nd century.
But Porthos was the best written character of the series.
Noooo!
Phlox's leeches were the highlight!
What made you say that when Trip got the most screen time? Besides T'Pol, he had the most growth, especially in the Xindi arc. Except for his stupid death in TATV, they showed him to be very intelligent. Trip is the McGyver of the South.
Mirror Kelby because he sold being eaten by a CGI Gorn like a champ.
Hmmm. I don't know how people originally reacted to the series since I just started binge watching it on Amazon. Travis Mayweather doesn't seem to be getting as much airtime as the other characters, so maybe people would say he was underrated. I don't care for him one way or another, though, so it doesn't bother me that they didn't focus on him more.
The most overrated character is probably Archer himself. He has done some pretty stupid things as Captain that are forgiven or ignored because he's the main character.
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