Yeah, I agree. Sometimes the gore makes it less unsettling.
Most gruesome/gratuitous Red Shirt death?
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Yeah, I agree. Sometimes the gore makes it less unsettling.
I need to rewatch most of the movies, but the transporter accident in "The Motion Picture" is pretty chilling.
Absolutely. That was horrifying. And the thing that drove the horror home was not even visual... it was the dialogue of what made it back didn't live long, thankfully.
Well no, I'd bring up that there's no source for that purported motive.
The Iconians had the right idea.
Seems pretty obvious anyway.
I mean, there's no logical reason for Icheb's death to be gorier than Sam Peckinpah on crank. And everybody knows what Manu had been saying on Twitter, so even though he apologized for what he said, he still has to be cancelled anyway. So here we are.
We don't see the deaths, but there's no logical way the victims who had their faces removed by Charlie X could have lived long enough for the Thasians to show up and save them without a means of breathing.
If McCoy got to them in time, he could give them tri-ox shots, but otherwise they're goners.
If McCoy got to them in time, he could give them tri-ox shots, but otherwise they're goners.
Seems pretty obvious anyway.
I mean, there's no logical reason for Icheb's death to be gorier than Sam Peckinpah on crank. And everybody knows what Manu had been saying on Twitter, so even though he apologized for what he said, he still has to be cancelled anyway. So here we are.
I don't follow the personal lives of actors and actresses, and I certainly don't have twitter (I don't think I can come up with a more toxic environment than twitter), so forgive my ignorance because I have no idea what Manu said that would warrant such a theory.
In universe of the series, Icheb was like a son to Seven, something that was said outright in VOYAGER season 7. His death would definitely be a catalyst for her going on a rampage, and I certainly don't blame her for it. I don't see anything else being a cause for her to do that... at least, nothing that wouldn't require a new storyline to be included into PICARD, and with the seasons being as short as they are, the only realistic way to show us why Seven is on a revenge kick would be seeing Icheb dead. I think it's as simple as that.
If I remember correctly, the Thasians said they were able to restore everyone on the Enterprise to normal, which could include them being revived. Only the Antares couldn't be saved, either because it was too far back in time for them to help or because Charlie blew it up using that ship's own resources rather than making it disappear with a thought. I'm thinking more the latter reason.
He was basically making fun of Anthony Rapp and questioning the veracity of Rapp's charges against Kevin Spacey.
And again, Manu APOLOGIZED for that. He admitted that he shot off his mouth without thinking and wholeheartedly said how sorry he was. And Rapp accepted that apology without question.
Well, yeah, I'm not questioning the mere decision TO kill off Icheb. I'm questioning the manner in which that was done.
Gratuitous? I'd say pretty much most of them in TOS, it seems like they had "random guy gets killed somehow" was a requirement for a TOS script. Doubly jarring considering how many episodes ended on a happy note.
I can't remember many times a death was given the gravitas it would have needed in that show, the only example I can think of right now being Balance of Terror.
Most gruesome? I dunno, the deaths in Star Trek don't tend to be gruesome. Yeah, probably the transporter accident in TMP.
I can't remember many times a death was given the gravitas it would have needed in that show, the only example I can think of right now being Balance of Terror.
Most gruesome? I dunno, the deaths in Star Trek don't tend to be gruesome. Yeah, probably the transporter accident in TMP.
What? What was that?
Alexander Dane:Uh, nothing.
Jason Nesmith: I heard some squealing or something.
Gwen DeMarco: Oh, no. Everything's fine.
Teb: But the animal is inside out.
Jason Nesmith: I heard that! It turned inside out?
[the pig-lizard explodes]
Teb: And it exploded.
Jason Nesmith: Did I just hear that the animal turned inside out, and then it EXPLODED? Hello?
Gwen DeMarco: [Flipping a bit of pig-lizard off her communicator] Hold, please.
Though gold shirted, I vote for Lt. Gaetano from The Galileo Seven. He was hurt and helpless in the fog while a giant ape creature decended on him with both arms grasping at him. Though not seen on screen, he was taken away by the giant ape creatures, and later, his body was found thrown over some boulders; when he died is not known but probably most horrific up to that point. 
Given how what is considered by the general audience 'horrific' escalates with each passing year, it's probably a case of trying for shock value.
If that scene was shot 5 years previously, he wouldn't have lost an eye. If it occured 10 years from now, he would have lost his eye, a leg, both hands, and teeth.
Seems pretty obvious anyway.
I mean, there's no logical reason for Icheb's death to be gorier than Sam Peckinpah on crank. And everybody knows what Manu had been saying on Twitter, so even though he apologized for what he said, he still has to be cancelled anyway. So here we are.
Plenty of possible explanations. Justifying Seven’s actions at the end is the obvious one. It may also reflect Beyer’s background in Trek novels, quite a few of which have graphic violence. Another possibility is they did it simply because they could - like swearing in Disco, for instance. It is a regrettable trend for violence to be ever more graphic on TV, and perhaps they just wanted to be part of the trend.
It’s one thing to criticise what is on screen, it’s quite another to ascribe motives to those who put it on screen.
There's no evidence of that.
It was for shock value, nothing more. Remember Discovery Season 1?
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