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Most evil Enterprise Moment??????

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Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, what was your most darkest/most evil moment in star trek, that just broke all the rules.

Either for the better good of man or something mentally wrong??

Mine would have to be the enterprise episode in the expanse "Damage" were the enterprise is heavily damaged and CPT. Archer is forced to go against his morals and steal a warp coil from a passing ship

what was yours???

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Re: Most evil Star Trek Moment??????

I'd say Archer telling Trip of the Cogenitor's suicide was pretty dark. Or Neelix trying to commit suicide. Or O'Brien attempting to end his life. (So, everything that has to do with suicide then. :D) Elizabeth's death in "Terra Prime" was certainly dark, too.

Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, ...
Why not post in General Trek then?
 
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I'd say Archer telling Trip of the Cogenitor's suicide was pretty dark. Or Neelix trying to commit suicide. Or O'Brien attempting to end his life. (So, everything that has to do with suicide then. :D) Elizabeth's death in "Terra Prime" was certainly dark, too.

Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, ...
Why not post in General Trek then?
Well, if the title and topic are changed to apply to ENT only... or a mod will come along and move it to GTD eventually...:)

As for Cogenitor, I consider Archer's refusal to grant asylum not so much evil, but very wrong.
Also, Archer's (understandable) decision to steal a warp core was pretty bad.

And then there is the lovely, wicked Empress Sato murdering Archer (at least I assume he was dead), which raises the question, had there been a 5th season, would they have given Scott a couple of weeks off work when they were doing the MU episode(s?) they were planning?
 
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As for Cogenitor, I consider Archer's refusal to grant asylum not so much evil, but very wrong.
Well, I don't find it evil either. I just consider it a "very dark moment". Isn't that also what the OP asked for? No, seriously, did I get that wrong? :confused:
 
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As for Cogenitor, I consider Archer's refusal to grant asylum not so much evil, but very wrong.
Well, I don't find it evil either. I just consider it a "very dark moment". Isn't that also what the OP asked for? No, seriously, did I get that wrong? :confused:
Well, the title is the "most evil" Trek moment... which is where I draw my conclusion of what the OP is asking for.
 
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A moment in "In A Mirror Darkly" would be a clear choice for this, but in our universe, what the Reptilians did to Hoshi still makes me angry when I see it.

In all of Trek, the first thing that came to mind was the murder of David Marcus.
 
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Voyager's Scorpion takes the cake for me. Janeway teaming up to save the Borg, when they had the technology to fight Species 8472 by themselves. So instead of laying low for a few months and letting Species 8472 annihilate the Borg, and then dropping a few bombs on Species 8472 to scare them off, she couldn't hold her wad that long and blew the galaxy's one big chance to get rid of the Borg (see Hope and Fear).

I guess the thought of scarificing a few months of her time to save trillions from assimilation was too much to bare.
 
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^ That's just stupid writing....Berman must have been behind that one. If you mean to say it was evil for Janeway to save the Borg, I agree 100%.
 
Re: Most evil Star Trek Moment??????

:devil:
Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, what was your most darkest/most evil moment in star trek, that just broke all the rules.

Either for the better good of man or something mentally wrong??

Mine would have to be the enterprise episode in the expanse "Damage" were the enterprise is heavily damaged and CPT. Archer is forced to go against his morals and steal a warp coil from a passing ship

what was yours???

:evil:

When Archer and Phlox decide within days of meeting advanced aliens that every last member of their species deserves to die even though they found a cure for their horrible genetic disease, all based on some half-assed theory that a neabdertal version of them that depended exclusively on them for everything was supposed to inherit the planet for themselves.

When the Vulcan High Command sent the same Vulcan agent who cracked and had to have her memory of the incident wiped after the same criminal that caused ehr breakdown to begin with.

Archer blaming Trip for the death of the cogenator, and chewing his ass for doing the exact same kinf of thing he's done all along.

Archer putting his ship and crew at risk because he refused to man up and admit that he was stupid for brinigng his dog down with him to begin with, and it caused a diplomatic incident and got his dog sick.

Phlox screwing with Archer's mind during that same incident, inventing sexual tesion and causing Archer to have strange wet dreams about his first officer.

Archer letting Silik go after the Suliban killed all those colonists and tried to fram Enterprise for it.

Archer letting some big-eared pirates go after they rendered the crew unconcious, raided the ship, and attempted to kidnap many of the female crew members to sell into sex slavery, and without even asking their name after he literally had them at gunpoint.

Starfleet sending Enterprise by itself into the Expanse and the Vulcans proving just how much they suck as an ally.

Archer pirating Dumar and his crew and then not even bothering to go back and help them out after their mission was over.

T'Pol taking drugs for no reason, even though she knew it was what turned her former crewmates on the Selaya into zombies with Swiss cheese for brains.

Archer abandoning his post to go on some ridiculous suicide mission and leaving an emotionally unstable officer (was she an officer?) in command of the ship, which directly resulted in his own capture and an attack on his ship that nearly resulted in its destruction.

Archer ording the creation of a sentient clone and then ordering its death.

Archer riskign his ship and his crew by stickign around in the Barrens, despite the fact that he's learned of the deception that got them out there, despite the fact that a member of his crew has been killed and another one injured, and despite the fact that his senior officers have both protested endangering the ship and the crew in this manner.

Archer and Starfleet allow Trip and T'Pol to go "undercover" in an effort to find Terra Prime and their daughter, even though it was their DNA that was used to create the child and they would probably be recognized, like they were.

Archer blows off the retirement ceremony for his ship to help out a jewel theif who just happens to be an old friend from years back, resulting in the death of his chief engineer and his friend, only to seemingly forget about it hours later, and Starfleet just forgives him for going off mission and getting one of his officers killed.

How's that? :D
 
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:devil:
Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, what was your most darkest/most evil moment in star trek, that just broke all the rules.

Either for the better good of man or something mentally wrong??

Mine would have to be the enterprise episode in the expanse "Damage" were the enterprise is heavily damaged and CPT. Archer is forced to go against his morals and steal a warp coil from a passing ship

what was yours???

:evil:
Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

It don't get no eviler than that.
 
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Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

It don't get no eviler than that.
That is a good one! I forgot about that. I loved it when Archer blasted Dolim to hell...
 
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Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

It don't get no eviler than that.

Yikes, I forgot about that one as well. That was pretty bad. It reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite movies:

"I came here to tell you two things. Number one is you're going to die tonight. Number two...I'm going to go home, have a nice hot meal, I'm going to find your wife, and I'm going to kill her too."

SMACK!!!!
 
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Totally agree. That's from The Council isn't it? Very dark, almost Shakespearian, still shocking... literally turning the scene around on knife edge.
 
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Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

Chilling.
 
Re: Most evil Star Trek Moment??????

:devil:
Not just enterprise, but all Star Trek Series, what was your most darkest/most evil moment in star trek, that just broke all the rules.

Either for the better good of man or something mentally wrong??

Mine would have to be the enterprise episode in the expanse "Damage" were the enterprise is heavily damaged and CPT. Archer is forced to go against his morals and steal a warp coil from a passing ship

what was yours???

:evil:
Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

It don't get no eviler than that.

that was evil.

as for dark.
hoshi trying to commit suicide to keep from breaking the codes
the theft of the warp coil with archer forced into a very very dark place without any superiour beings to help him out.

from other treks
the first time we see picard as a borg

kirk having to stop bones from saving edith keeler
 
Re: Most evil Star Trek Moment??????

Most evil Ent moment for me was Dolim stabbing Degra to death and while twistiing the knife and gutting him, tells Degra he is going to kill his family too. These are the last words Degra hears before his death.

It don't get no eviler than that.
That is a good one! I forgot about that. I loved it when Archer blasted Dolim to hell...
Yes, and what I particularly liked about that scene was Archer showing Dolim the control while Dolim futilely tried to get to the bomb. I wish it had been even worse for Dolim, thats how much I had grown to like Degra.
 
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Most evil moment came at the end of Azati Prime when we know the ship is in dire straights and Archer has been beaten up -- held against his will by the enemy. It was evil because there was a "To be continued" and a several month wait to figure out how they were going to get out of that one and why T'Pol had been acting so strangely.
 
Re: Most evil Star Trek Moment??????

Most evil moment came at the end of Azati Prime when we know the ship is in dire straights and Archer has been beaten up -- held against his will by the enemy. It was evil because there was a "To be continued" and a several month wait to figure out how they were going to get out of that one and why T'Pol had been acting so strangely.
I thought how they would get out of it was sorta obvious by the council halting the attack based on the new information Degra provided to the others. And Rick Berman revealed T'Pol's addiction in the Star Trek Communicator which was available the very week AP aired which irritated me because I didn't want to be spoiled.
 
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Well, we knew everyone would get out of it. Leaving our heroes in the "jaws of death" is always nerve wracking. It's like Picard walking out and saying, "I am Locutus." I thought, "Oh shit!" I knew he'd be Picard again, but it's that moment of fear for your heroes.

I was really disappointed with the addiction idea.
 
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I was really disappointed with the addiction idea.
There are three things that bug me about this:

-- T'Pol starts mainlining trellium because she wants to re-experience emotions that emerged in "Impulse." She's was angry. She was out of control. She was afraid. She was psychotic and hysterical. And Phlox thinks this was intended to smooth relations with the crew and Trip. :wtf:

-- This whole development comes out of nowhere. She hasn't been falling apart since "Impulse." She hasn't been getting all warm and fuzzy while with Trip (as Phlox suggests when he learns what she's been doing).

-- When T'Pol was diagnosed with P'naar syndrome, that was none of Archer's business because it didn't affect T'Pol's performance on the job. So I didn't care that Phlox didn't say anything to him.

But now she poses a danger to the ship. In AP, she leaves her post to hide out in the ready room; she tried to abandon her post altogether to go rescue Archer; and she froze on the bridge during the attack.

In Damage, she can't get to her stash, which creates physical and emotional issues for her. She's coming apart and endangers her own life to get to the trellium.

Archer leaves her in charge while they board the alien ship to take the warp coil. Phlox should have been shoved out an airlock for failing to alert Archer to T'Pol's compromised mental/emotional state.

And frankly, I think it would have been more interesting from a dramatic standpoint if Archer (and eventually Trip) had been told what she had been doing.

If the writers were determined to do this stupid subplot, at least give her the good reason others have suggested: Trying to build resistance so they can use trellium to protect the ship.
 
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