most disappointing Trek movie?

[Khan 2.0]

Okay maybe not cgi for TFF but they did use a model and special fx, just look at the ships movements in TFF, let just say the fx don't look that special. I read somewhere that Shatner didn't want to use ILM for TFF as their A team was working on Indiana Jones, while their B team was working on Ghostbusters 2 and that's why they had another company work on it.

Think ILM were also doing BTTF2 and maybe even The Abyss?, bad decision as surely even ILMs C or D team would've been far better equipped to at least deal with the model FX getting them upto the standard of the previous films considering they'd been doing them since II. Whereas Bran Ferren apparently had a load of problems trying to figure out how to do the standard model FX (and had to ship them over to his New Jersey building)having won the job over his Great Barrier/God water tank FX (think Ralph Winter said that ILMs test was 'silly' - well Brans weren't that great either ralph! in fact I remember reading the letters of the official fan club magazine back then and remember someone saying the barrier in WNMHGB was more convincing/menacing)

 

[Viper78]

Think ILM were also doing BTTF2 and maybe even The Abyss?, bad decision as surely even ILMs C or D team would've been far better equipped to at least deal with the model FX getting them upto the standard of the previous films considering they'd been doing them since II. Whereas Bran Ferren apparently had a load of problems trying to figure out how to do the standard model FX (and had to ship them over to his New Jersey building)having won the job over his Great Barrier/God water tank FX (think Ralph Winter said that ILMs test was 'silly' - well Brans weren't that great either ralph! in fact I remember reading the letters of the official fan club magazine back then and remember someone saying the barrier in WNMHGB was more convincing/menacing)

I agree, ILM were and still are the best in the business. I'm no expert on fx but I would have thought a lesser team from ILM would have been more than capable for what was required for TFF.

 

[Vger23]

I agree, ILM were and still are the best in the business. I'm no expert on fx but I would have thought a lesser team from ILM would have been more than capable for what was required for TFF.

It wasn't just about the "lesser team". There were numerous other variables involved, not the least of which was ILM's perceived inability to deliver fx shots on time for when movie was committed to theaters, given the reduced capacity.

 

[Mudd]

Toss-up between TFF and Nemesis.

 

[thribs]

Star Trek 1 and 12.

 

[STEPhon IT]

They are all disappointments on some level. Which fan hasn't found one thing he or she couldn't gripe about?

I like the music, costumes, and the acting in the Kelvin films but little else. The Next Gen films are pretty much garbage.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is too slow and humorless.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is too small scale and The Enterprise interiors are poorly shot.
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock has an absurd plot and the sound stages were poor choices for the planet Genesis.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is more of a comedy than a Star Trek film and the music is awful.
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier takes too long to get going in terms of plot and some of the effects are terrible.
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country has plot holes, Klingons quoting Shakespeare, and officers preparing dinner as if starships did not have replicators.

VI was too engaged with it's predictable plot to consider there should've been a sense of transition going on. V's Enterprise was so spot on in lending a helping hand in drawing us to the world of TNG. I hated the so-called "Lived in" appearance of the ship; it's a military organization and not a pirate ship. The Enterprise should always appear pristine. How interesting the movie could've been to see 1701-A had a phase I version of a replicator - replacing the food processor system? TNG phasers, colored in TOS phaser colors, are being implemented as the movie progress. This would've shown a gradual and natural progression of change for the old guard.

 

[Armus]

VI was too engaged with it's predictable plot to consider there should've been a sense of transition going on. V's Enterprise was so spot on in lending a helping hand in drawing us to the world of TNG. I hated the so-called "Lived in" appearance of the ship; it's a military organization and not a pirate ship. The Enterprise should always appear pristine. How interesting the movie could've been to see 1701-A had a phase I version of a replicator - replacing the food processor system? TNG phasers, colored in TOS phaser colors, are being implemented as the movie progress. This would've shown a gradual and natural progression of change for the old guard.

That would have added a satisfying level of reality to the look of the film and the fans would have enjoyed seeing that transition. I don't think the director had much interest in that kind of detail and reality. Nicholas Meyer simply tried to make the Enterprise feel as much like a submarine or a naval vessel in his movies. That's why you have officers loading torpedoes and cooking dinner. It doesn't really fit into Star Trek in my view.

 

[Kilana2]

Insurrection - never wanted to get firmer boobs. They are already firm enough.

 

[STEPhon IT]

TFF is the worst form me, terrible story and awful cgi/fx.

I'd have Insurrection as second worst for the same reasons, it seemed more like a below average TNG double episode and not a big budget film. Star Trek films do suffer when they don't use ILM.

I'm wondering would fans who praise "The Undiscovered Country" so highly would still have that same praise if the movie had TFF's SFX team?

 

[Viper78]

I'm wondering would fans who praise "The Undiscovered Country" so highly would still have that same praise if the movie had TFF's SFX team?

It would definitely have an impact but I'd still rate TUC higher than TFF based on the story.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It's evident both plots were interesting, but the execution - the story- was not well thought through. I commend Meyer for digging his nails in to getting that budget for the special effects because without those effects VI would've been an epic failure. VI's Box Office numbers were fine, but nothing spectacular ala The Voyage Home, it's a meh movie in retrospect slightly above V but not by much.

 

[Smellmet]

I'm wondering would fans who praise "The Undiscovered Country" so highly would still have that same praise if the movie had TFF's SFX team?

In short, no, I wouldn't. The FX in TFF is one of the worst aspects of the movie and completely undermines it, whereas the FX in TUC is by contrast one of it's best aspects and helps make the film look very slick in comparison, so I guess you've probably answered your own question there.

 

[EnriqueH]

Generations is the worst as far as squandering potential. TOS and TNG, Kirk and Picard.

Insurrection, I haven’t seen since the theater but I remember being very underwhelmed. I thought I remembered reading something about Picard making some shocking choices but I didn’t recall him doing anything that earth shattering. There were better, more entertaining and affecting two parters in TNG.

Nemesis because I recall it as a TWOK wannabe. But also because as much as I tried to suspend my disbelief, I just couldn’t buy Shinzon as a Picard clone. It had its moments, but this REALLY showed that the creative team was running on fumes.

I know there’s some Kelvin universe hate but I enjoyed all the nuTreks more than the above films.

 

[11Alive]

By now, there are too many candidates to choose from. And it depends on what's considered a "disappointment." I didn't find Generations or the Kelvin films disappointing only because I didn't watch them with high expectations or even fair to middling ones. I guess it would have to come down to TFF or Nemesis.

 

[11Alive]

It would definitely have an impact but I'd still rate TUC higher than TFF based on the story.

Certainly much higher that TFF, but still not great by any stretch. It was such a derivative script, full of cliches and tired tropes from other movies, like luring the killer out with a fake announcement and laying in wait in the dark. If it had been a non-Trek, non-SF movie set in modern day, it would be roundly panned by critics as being trite and simpleminded.

 

[Relayer1]

I love the TOS films to differing extents except TFF which, had it had fantastic special effects, would have been an abysmal pile of offal with fantastic special effects. Oh, except for the camping trip - I like the camping trip.

Much as I loved TNG I dislike all of the movies - they're all crappy, even the much loved First Contact. Ironically, the one I like most is Nemesis. I wouldn't claim it's good though.

I'm not allowed to talk about my lack of fondness for the Kelvinverse movies

Best two ? TMP and TWOK.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Certainly much higher that TFF, but still not great by any stretch. It was such a derivative script, full of cliches and tired tropes from other movies, like luring the killer out with a fake announcement and laying in wait in the dark. If it had been a non-Trek, non-SF movie set in modern day, it would be roundly panned by critics as being trite and simpleminded.

Also, I found bizarre was after the assassination massacre Kirk and McCoy travel over to the Klingon ship to find the Chancellor is lying close to death inside a room and no one in the room - including McCoy - had the presence of mind to take the man to sick bay??? I mean this person is considered to be the guy to bring peace to the galaxy and the subordinates are just watching. There had to be some time had pass since Kirk made the stupid decision to beam aboard the Klingon ship; there was enough time for the Klingons to take their leader to an infirmary.

 

[suarezguy]

Certainly much higher that TFF, but still not great by any stretch. It was such a derivative script, full of cliches and tired tropes from other movies

A lot of cliches keep being used because they work. I thought in TUC they were at least played with a lot of energy and even seeming freshness and serious-enough (and not-too-serious) tone.

 

[Gracewood]

star trek into darkness

 

[shapeshifter]

Nemesis.

The death of Data has been a sucking chest wound for so long. Hopefully ST:P will do something to allow healing to occur.

ETA: THEY KILLED HIM AGAIN!