most disappointing Trek movie?

[Damian]

The Enterprise did appear more complicated in Generations which I thought could be interesting or a detriment based on how she was handled. The outcome was a detriment because none of the new things presented on the Enterprise didn't make the ship function better but slower and worse. It was Excelsior 2.0 for me, all this new additions but is a total dud, for 7 seasons the Enterprise could fire 3 or more aft torpedoes but in VII it lays one egg to destroy a Klingon ship, the phaser array can produce a multitude of phaser attacks but in VII it's just one.

It's putting the ship in an unfair situation and completely forgetting the vessel's full potential, I wouldn't have minded showing the Enterprise in her full glory and gave her what she'd got and fell than the shit that was produced. It was the lack of respect for the ship which pissed me off, and then we have Riker, Worf, and Data of all people dropping the ball in doing their jobs; I thought they were smarter strategists than what was presented on screen. They did not look good and neither did the Enterprise.

Yeah, it would have been nice, even if the ship had to go down if it went down fighting. In a way TUC battle was much the same. The Enterprise getting the crap beaten out of it and then it comes through at the last second (though in that case it wasn't destroyed).

It didn't feel right with the Enterprise-D getting it's clocked cleaned by an inferior ship, even if they could penetrate their shields.

It's one of the things I liked about Nemesis. This ship was taking a beating but they were giving as good as they were getting. That ship was not going down without a fight. And the collision scene was intense in that movie.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Yeah, it would have been nice, even if the ship had to go down if it went down fighting. In a way TUC battle was much the same. The Enterprise getting the crap beaten out of it and then it comes through at the last second (though in that case it wasn't destroyed).

It didn't feel right with the Enterprise-D getting it's clocked cleaned by an inferior ship, even if they could penetrate their shields.

It's one of the things I liked about Nemesis. This ship was taking a beating but they were giving as good as they were getting. That ship was not going down without a fight. And the collision scene was intense in that movie.

The intent in TUC and NEM was to make their ship look good despite what I thought for the latter's execution, in TUC I got the impression the only reason that Bird of Prey had a shot was because it fired while invisible. A normal Bird of Prey had no chance against a new Starship Enterprise - despite the art direction flaws. In Generations, I never got the feeling the Enterprise had a chance.

 

[plynch]

I was not disappointed in INS. I like moral dilemma ish things.

Now I think of it, I had hopes for jj '09.Every knows I'm an original Trekkie. People kept asking me.what I thought. Had to fudge it a bit for the "team." It just wasn't to my liking. So I think that was literally the most disappointing. So it goes.

And so it went.

 

[Cryogenic]

TWOK -- for how cheaply made it was and for what it did to the rest of the franchise.

 

[fireproof78]

TWOK casts a long shadow for sure. Less "disappointing" and more "let the past stay in the past" to my mind.

Not that Trek has ever learned that lesson.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I was not disappointed in INS. I like moral dilemma ish things.

Now I think of it, I had hopes for jj '09.Every knows I'm an original Trekkie. People kept asking me.what I thought. Had to fudge it a bit for the "team." It just wasn't to my liking. So I think that was literally the most disappointing. So it goes.

And so it went.

INS is one of the most divisive, horrible Trek movie I'd ever seen; the largest issue I had was I was agreeing with the Son'a bad guys, which quite frankly they had a very good point. Why not relocate the very boring 600 Baku people, and that might mean health, and long life for Federation inhabitants? The stupid story doesn't invite compromises and its these 600 people or nothing, finding out my heroes has lost their f'ing minds and fighting the wrong fight is the worse scenario for a viewer like myself watching this airplane crash. The movie "Star Trek" by JJ Abrams was way better than that piece of sh*t.

 

[plynch]

ok

 

[RAMA]

From what I’ve read, leading up to TWoK, Roddenberry was actually going around to conventions begging fans not to go see TWoK, telling them it wasn’t part of his vision and therefore not real Star Trek.

It has always been my contention that Roddenberry would have preferred the Kelvin series to the TOS series of movies.

My reasoning is that we KNOW Roddenberry only liked one of those films...Star Trek IV. He even mentioned it in interviews. STV is universally considered awful. He despised the racist Starfleet in STVI.

ST09 was a terrific action-adventure (which by Roddenberry's own TOS Bible, is what Trek was intended as), it's only message was about teamwork and responsibility, but both STID and Beyond were more overtly political. STID in particular was braver in it's content than a lot of straight non-genre dramas. I believe Gene would have given them a round of applause (though he probably would have hated the brewery).

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Right, why not move a few hundred Native Americans to run a gas pipeline through them. If they protest, why not forcibly remove them violently? After all, it makes lots of people lots of $.



RAMA

INS is one of the most divisive, horrible Trek movie I'd ever seen; the largest issue I had was I was agreeing with the Son'a bad guys, which quite frankly they had a very good point. Why not relocate the very boring 600 Baku people, and that might mean health, and long life for Federation inhabitants? The stupid story doesn't invite compromises and its these 600 people or nothing, finding out my heroes has lost their f'ing minds and fighting the wrong fight is the worse scenario for a viewer like myself watching this airplane crash. The movie "Star Trek" by JJ Abrams was way better than that piece of sh*t.

 

[Damian]

Why not relocate the very boring 600 Baku people, and that might mean health, and long life for Federation inhabitants?

I might have felt that way until I found about about the So'na using this as a revenge plot. They were the ones basically saying there's no other way to harvest the radiation. So that put their whole contention in doubt for me. Even the admiral had a change of heart when he learned that little tid bit.

There may very well have been ways to harvest the benefits of the Briar Patch without moving the Baku.

I had a real trust issue with the So'na after I learned about their revenge plot.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Oh I get the So'na were the villains of the week and they were treated like one, how interesting it could've been if the story developed where the Baku had a sinister agenda. The movie was flat all the way through.

 

[SevenJetC]

That's quite a gap. I wonder why it took so long.

It is actually quite simple. Star Trek and sci-fi in general was considered "kids stuff" in the 1990s. And while TNG, VOY and TOS (in this order exactly) were broadcasted on work days afternoons (5pmish) on the public TV, which is by law required to show all kinds of stuff and by being funded by tax payers and not commercial doesn't really care about the viewership numbers, DS9 somehow ended up on commercial TV. It was dropped by one after season 1, I have a vague memory that the broadcast time was Saturday morning at time that was way too early for teens and adults and overlapping with way more interesting cartoons for kids. Afterwards season 2 and 3 were picked by a different channel and then, due to low numbers (seriously, I don't even have an idea it was on, yet alone the time), dropped. And it stayed dropped until the digital TV era, when due to raised interest in ST post reboots and the price of TV shows like DS9 being considerably lower than when they were new, it made it to cable TV.

 

[Damian]

It is actually quite simple. Star Trek and sci-fi in general was considered "kids stuff" in the 1990s. And while TNG, VOY and TOS (in this order exactly) were broadcasted on work days afternoons (5pmish) on the public TV, which is by law required to show all kinds of stuff and by being funded by tax payers and not commercial doesn't really care about the viewership numbers, DS9 somehow ended up on commercial TV. It was dropped by one after season 1, I have a vague memory that the broadcast time was Saturday morning at time that was way too early for teens and adults and overlapping with way more interesting cartoons for kids. Afterwards season 2 and 3 were picked by a different channel and then, due to low numbers (seriously, I don't even have an idea it was on, yet alone the time), dropped. And it stayed dropped until the digital TV era, when due to raised interest in ST post reboots and the price of TV shows like DS9 being considerably lower than when they were new, it made it to cable TV.

Hmm. Very interesting. I'm sorry you missed all the fun when DS9 first aired but at least you were able to get on board the train finally.

Even here in the US it could be a bit haphazard since DS9 was in syndication and not a network show. I don't know why but for whatever reason where I live the channel that was airing DS9 at the time aired it at midnight. Voyager was a bit different since it was a network show on UPN, so the time was at least in prime time for that. Though I have to admit I didn't watch Voyager until after it had aired. It took me a while to get into Voyager.

But at least here DS9 was aired all the way through the first time, even if it was at midnight. I guess I'm lucky to be a Star Trek fan in the United States.

 

[Damian]

Oh I get the So'na were the villains of the week and they were treated like one, how interesting it could've been if the story developed where the Baku had a sinister agenda. The movie was flat all the way through.

Sure. I guess they were really going for a lighter feel, probably hoping it would be sort of like TVH of the TNG films after First Contact.

I've become more forgiving of its faults as time has passed. At the time I was real disappointed at the virtual lack of mention of the Dominion War (I thought there were ways to do a war movie without requiring knowledge of DS9), but I gradually got over that disappointment as the years have passed.

Now I just sort of look at it as a feature length episode of the TV series...with really good cinematography and I've learned to accept it as it is.

But then, I liked Nemesis. To this day I still can't understand the hate that movie engenders--more than Insurrection it seems, I guess I'm dense because I don't get it. So take what I say with a grain of salt I suppose.

 

[RAMA]

I recall the producers told fans they were going to destroy the E-D early on, well before the Movie was finished filming. They really wanted a new ship that was easier to film, then of course CG became commonplace.

I wasn't happy with the idea, but ultimately we didn't get many new ships back then, so I was also anxious to see what the E-E would be.

RAMA

You know, some people were upset that Kirk died.

I was more upset that they destroyed the Enterprise-D. I had this hope that when Picard and Kirk emerged from the Nexus that somehow the Enterprise would be saved.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

My husband really hates Star Trek 5. But I think of it as a relaxing comedy.(to be honest some time I only watch part of it.) My husband says it is not supposed to be a comedy! But yeah, it is not very good.
The movie I hate is Nemesis. I watched it all one time. We have it but every time I try to watch it all, I just can't it is so awful!! I wish that had not been the one where Riker and Troy married. Sometimes I watch just that part of it.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It would have been interesting if the producers could've integrated their love for each other during the movie and by the end get married. Probably could've written in the story Data wanted them to get married and they do as a final request. The Riker Troi relationship was cold the moment I saw it, I never saw the chemistry nor understood the fan obsession over it.

 

[Vger23]

My husband really hates Star Trek 5. But I think of it as a relaxing comedy.(to be honest some time I only watch part of it.) My husband says it is not supposed to be a comedy! But yeah, it is not very good.
The movie I hate is Nemesis. I watched it all one time. We have it but every time I try to watch it all, I just can't it is so awful!! I wish that had not been the one where Riker and Troy married. Sometimes I watch just that part of it.

Some of my more "controversial" Star Trek opinions relate directly to your post:

1. I love Star Trek V, and actually consider it the closest to what TOS was out of the entire film franchise. Flawed? Certainly. Awful? I'm not sure how I could consider it "awful" when it is so much like the original show, which is my favorite series in the franchise.
2. I think NEM is one of the better TNG films. Unlike the other films, at least it felt like a major motion picture and it attempted to move the characters rather than just play it safe like an episode of the TNG series.

 

[fireproof78]

But then, I liked Nemesis. To this day I still can't understand the hate that movie engenders--more than Insurrection it seems, I guess I'm dense because I don't get it. So take what I say with a grain of salt I suppose.

Honestly, I think the hate comes from how Data is treated, as well as the emphasis on action, i.e. the dune buggy scene, the Scorpion fighter scene.

I personally don't mind it but it certainly isn't a film that I hurry back to revisit. I do love the music.

 

[Vger23]

Honestly, I think the hate comes from how Data is treated, as well as the emphasis on action, i.e. the dune buggy scene, the Scorpion fighter scene.

I personally don't mind it but it certainly isn't a film that I hurry back to revisit. I do love the music.

I don't think it's great by any stretch....but it was a hell of a lot more ambitious than INS and it was more cohesive than GEN. Even FC felt like an extended episode in some respects. I was relatively entertained by NEM, and it looks fantastic. As you mentioned, great soundtrack as well.

The death of Data never bothered me in the slightest. I'm not sure what the big deal is there. TNG was basically over. Characters can die. I thought self-sacrifice brought a really nice conclusion to Data's character arc.

The PIC series closed the loop even better.