IIRC, there was a thought to getting Kirstie Alley to do a cameo as Saavik in that scene, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.
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^Which is good, because the Bozeman was trapped in the rift in 2278, seven years before TWOK. Saavik wouldn't even have been fully grown yet, let alone entered the Academy.
^Maybe, but if the script was written with the expectation it would be Saavik, why pick that date in the first place? I suspect it was a mistake, and if they had put Alley in there, they might not have realized the discrepancy until it was too late.
Wow -- Destiny was published a few years ago! How long have you been working on Watching the Clock?!
^Don't take my phrasing too literally. Dave wrote Destiny well before I got the go-ahead to write DTI:WTC; I just didn't remember that he'd used Bateson until I was doing research for the book.
Although on second thought, I did initially pitch this idea in tentative form a few years before I got the go-ahead, and the idea to use the Bozeman crew did come from the initial just-in-my-head development I did. So yeah, I guess in that sense my thought about using Bateson did come before Destiny.
Although on second thought, I did initially pitch this idea in tentative form a few years before I got the go-ahead, and the idea to use the Bozeman crew did come from the initial just-in-my-head development I did. So yeah, I guess in that sense my thought about using Bateson did come before Destiny.
Not to derail the thread, but let's say that her political persuasion, one that is built around (white, American, and usually male) rugged individualism and suspicion of structured government is quite apparent in her writing.
Which was the basis of New Earth, though funny enough the colonists try to get away from the Federation and Starfleet and yet have to constantly rely on the latter to protect them.
I personally loved Ship of the Line. It is still one of my favorite Trek books; shoot I reread it so I could write the summary on Memory Beta! I loved the idea of the Starfleet border cutter and distraught fiancee who feels guilty because his girl was tortured trying to save him. I really got attached to that crew and enjoyed the contrast between 23rd and 24th century captains. Was I miffed that the crew was all human? No, how many alien crew did you see in TOS? The Intrepid had an all Vulcan crew, why can't there be an all Human crew?
I'm all for more Bateson. All the authors have done great with the character and I am a Frasier Crane fan. Not many great and experienced captains left in the fleet, we can expect someone like Bateson to stay in the center of the action. Heck, if Picard retires, give 'em the Enterprise, lol.
I'm all for more Bateson. All the authors have done great with the character and I am a Frasier Crane fan. Not many great and experienced captains left in the fleet, we can expect someone like Bateson to stay in the center of the action. Heck, if Picard retires, give 'em the Enterprise, lol.
They should do a prequel where he's at Starfleet Academy and everyone calls him "Master Bateson"
The complaints I've heard haven't been about the all-human crew, but the fact that the bridge crew was all-male and all-Caucasian. Which, even aside from other concerns, directly contradicts what "Cause and Effect" canonically established, i.e. that there were at least two women in the bridge crew. (And that's not the biggest contradiction: SotL claims that the Typhon Expanse was a well-patrolled border region in the 23rd century even though C&E explicitly said it was uncharted in the 24th.)
Exactly. I understand that there would be a natural tendency toward segregation for species. I am not happy about it, and I get things like Ex Machina and the Titan series to show off what I think Starfleet should be, but it is basically canon. They mentioned mostly Vulcan crews for Intrepid and Hera, after all. I imagine there are crews that are largely Tellarite or Andorian or whatever too.
Okay, I'll grant you the minor details. I still think it was a powerful book with characters learning some valuable life lessons.
And are we sure the bridge crew seen in cause in effect were female or just looked a little feminine or dudes with long hair? Maybe they were going for the 18th century british officer look. Perhaps it was a view screen glitch?
So they were all caucasian? I'm sure sometimes you end up with a non diverse crew. This doesn't bother me so long as it isn't the norm. However, I DO believe the flagship should be diverse; I just don't hold that standard for a border cutter. Heck, in aerospace engineering school, most of the students were caucasian males. Sometimes you can't force the demographics.
Anywho, still loved WTC.
And are we sure the bridge crew seen in cause in effect were female or just looked a little feminine or dudes with long hair? Maybe they were going for the 18th century british officer look. Perhaps it was a view screen glitch?
So they were all caucasian? I'm sure sometimes you end up with a non diverse crew. This doesn't bother me so long as it isn't the norm. However, I DO believe the flagship should be diverse; I just don't hold that standard for a border cutter. Heck, in aerospace engineering school, most of the students were caucasian males. Sometimes you can't force the demographics.
Anywho, still loved WTC.
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s5/5x18/causeandeffect402.jpg
i think they're women, clearly enough, there.
i think they're women, clearly enough, there.
Well, sure, continuity and quality are two unrelated subjects. SotL is fine as an alternate-universe version of the Bozeman, but it's simply not the Bozeman we saw onscreen, either in crew composition or backstory.
Judge for yourself:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Bozeman_lieutenant.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Bozeman_crew_female.jpg
In present-day America, I can buy that. In the 23rd-century Federation, it would be one hell of a statistical fluke.
There are technical reasons for why crews tend to be primarily of one species, namely life support, supplies, medical resources, and having conditions where the crew is most likely to work together as a cohesive unit. It's a lot easier to have one Vulcan, who can tolerate Earth normal conditions and crank up the temp in his quarters, than have a whole range of races with widely varying environmental needs trying to work and live in conditions where everyone is equally miserable.
Which has nothing to do with the striking absence of women (even if they were established on screen) or different human ethnicities, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
Yeah, that's another matter.
I think I'd rather chalk that up to Carey having a creative brain fart and it not occurring to her that every character she churned out was a white male, as opposed to some underlying supremacist leanings.
I think I'd rather chalk that up to Carey having a creative brain fart and it not occurring to her that every character she churned out was a white male, as opposed to some underlying supremacist leanings.
IDK, I've been fooled before.
"The Crying Game".
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