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Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quinto?

Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Funny, you do understand what I'm saying, yet at the same time... you don't.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Funny, you do understand what I'm saying, yet at the same time... you don't.

It's not that we don't understand what you're saying. It's that we think you're wrong.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

This reminds me of a post on here way back when where someone complained about the Quinto casting and wondered why they didn't use their resources to find one person on the entire planet who looked exactly like Nimoy. Didn't even matter if he was an actor or not, because looking like Nimoy was the only thing of importance. :lol:
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

This reminds me of a post on here way back when where someone complained about the Quinto casting and wondered why they didn't use their resources to find one person on the entire planet who looked exactly like Nimoy. Didn't even matter if he was an actor or not, because looking like Nimoy was the only thing of importance. :lol:

In other words, they were looking for that Nimoy clone that was created sometime after Dolly the Sheep. The truth about him is known to only a select few.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

I'm rather puzzled by all the criticism of ZQ. :wtf:

First of all, Spock has been my favorite character from the time I started watching TOS in 1966 through today. I adore Nimoy and think he did a wonderful job creating Spock, and by extension, much of what we think of as "Vulcan". He is an unusual looking man, tall and thin, with interesting planes to his face, deep, narrow eyes, a deep sonorous voice and a specific physicality that have all become inseparable from the character for many fans.

When the reboot was first rumoured, I thought "good luck casting Spock, that'll be tough." I was prepared not to be pleased. But when I saw the first production stills of ZQ as Spock, I was encouraged - I thought Zach looked like a Vulcan. We'd have to see if he could be Spock.

I think I fell in love with Quinto's Spock in his first scene, when he takes his mother's hands, and stares deep into her eyes with concern. And the f**k you to the Vulcan Academy elders was a stitch.:techman:

I thought ZQ really became "Spock" on the Enterprise - that scene where the "pointy-eared bastard" enters the turbo-lift, cocks his head, and then strides across the bridge to the science station - the body language was so "Spock", I was totally hooked at that point. I also thought Zach nailed the confrontation with McCoy (classic TOS), the fight with Kirk, volunteering to go onto the Narada - OMG his expression when Kirk claps him on the arm is priceless Spock. And as everyone has already noted, the moment where he sits down in the Jellyfish and intones "fascinating' could be Zach channeling Nimoy.

I actually don't think the filmmakers could have done a better piece of casting than Quinto. He's a similar body type, coloring and height. And he resembles Nimoy closely "enough" IMO to be a very plausible younger version of Spock. The main difference to me is that ZQ's voice is lighter than Nimoy's bass baritone, but I quickly adjusted to that. Physical resemblence only goes so far - at some point the actor has to create the character, which is more important to me than being a look-alike.

Most importantly, Zach as Spock has a lot going on behind the eyes onscreen, you can sense an active inner life, even when he's not the center of the scene or has many lines. You have to have an actor for Spock who can show a lot with a little since the character is requireed to keep everything bottled inside. Zach is an expressive physical actor, just little body movements, tiny changes of facial expression and voice inflection convey so much. Nimoy did this very well and so does Zach.

It simply isn't possible to duplicate Nimoy, and it would be disastrous IMO for an actor to mimic him. NuSpock is a younger man and his life path will be a different one. But what we do have is the essence of the original character, and an actor who made the role his own, who resembles the original actor as closely as was reasonably possible.

Of course, if there's one thing I've learned on internet forums, it's that fans aren't necessarily reasonable by any reasonable parameters of the term. :lol:
 
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Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

As much as I loved Quinto's Spock in the end, it was a chore not seeing him as pointy-eared Sylar. Especially during that scene where he tells the Vulcan elders that he's going to join Starfleet.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

He got the mannerisms, the feel, and the tone of the character correct. He played the Spock character, not as a copy of Nimoy, but his interpretation of the character, a character with different life then the original Spock.

I cant see how anyone could NOT like what he did with the character.

So Tim Russ played an excellent Spock, too...


Sorry, I just have to completely disagree with you.
Disagreeing is fine, but why attempt to put words in someone's mouth in such condescending fashion?

Are you a computer?
Was this question necessary? I think not.

Funny, you do understand what I'm saying, yet at the same time... you don't.
It sounds to me as if not everyone attaches the same importance to the issue that you do, that's all. It doesn't mean anyone is wrong. Besides, it's only a movie, right?

This reminds me of a post on here way back when where someone complained about the Quinto casting and wondered why they didn't use their resources to find one person on the entire planet who looked exactly like Nimoy. Didn't even matter if he was an actor or not, because looking like Nimoy was the only thing of importance. :lol:
Ah, yes -- the thread with nine lives. Finally had to stake it because the OP just wouldn't let it drop. Obsessed with the shape of Quinto's nose, or something.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

I'm rather puzzled by all the criticism of ZQ. :wtf:

First of all, Spock has been my favorite character from the time I started watching TOS in 1966 through today. I adore Nimoy and think he did a wonderful job creating Spock, and by extension, much of what we think of as "Vulcan". He is an unusual looking man, tall and thin, with interesting planes to his face, deep, narrow eyes, a deep sonorous voice and a specific physicality that have all become inseparable from the character for many fans.

I think I fell in love with Quinto's Spock in his first scene, when he takes his mother's hands, and stares deep into her eyes with concern. And the f**k you to the Vulcan Academy elders was a stitch.:techman:

I thought ZQ really became "Spock" on the Enterprise - that scene where the "pointy-eared bastard" enters the turbo-lift, cocks his head, and then strides across the bridge to the science station - the body language was so "Spock", I was totally hooked at that point. I also thought Zach nailed the confrontation with McCoy (classic TOS), the fight with Kirk, volunteering to go onto the Narada - OMG his expression when Kirk claps him on the arm is priceless Spock. And as everyone has already noted, the moment where he sits down in the Jellyfish and intones "fascinating' could be Zach channeling Nimoy.

Most importantly, Zach as Spock has a lot going on behind the eyes onscreen, you can sense an active inner life, even when he's not the center of the scene or has many lines. You have to have an actor for Spock who can show a lot with a little since the character is requireed to keep everything bottled inside. Zach is an expressive physical actor, just little body movements, tiny changes of facial expression and voice inflection convey so much. Nimoy did this very well and so does Zach.

It simply isn't possible to duplicate Nimoy, and it would be disastrous IMO for an actor to mimic him. NuSpock is a younger man and his life path will be a different one. But what we do have is the essence of the original character, and an actor who made the role his own, who resembles the original actor as closely as was reasonably possible.

Of course, if there's one thing I've learned on internet forums, it's that fans aren't necessarily reasonable by any reasonable paramters of the term. :lol:

Definitely what you said.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

You should cast people who look incredibly similar to each other. Like Nimoy and Quinto.
LOL@ Quinto looking like Nimoy.
Yeah right, they totally don't look alike, there is 1 cm of difference there, and see, there is 0.5 cm of difference on this side of face...:cardie:

:rolleyes:

Nah, we need to get that clone. That's what's needed, right?
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Yeah right, they totally don't look alike
I'm glad you agree. For a moment there I thought you'd gone crazy.

Oh, so you were just being sarcastic all the time. OK then. I thought for a moment you were blind. Or an actual supporter of cloning.

Nimoy and Quinto are so "not alike", that the only other example of two people who are that "not alike" are Matt Dallas and J.Eddie Peck in "Kyle XY".

(See, I've mastered your art of saying the opposite of what is actually true! That's what you were doing, right?
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

As much as I loved Quinto's Spock in the end, it was a chore not seeing him as pointy-eared Sylar. Especially during that scene where he tells the Vulcan elders that he's going to join Starfleet.
I watched only the first season of Heroes. Fortunately, I have only seen Quinto in the role of Spock, so I do not end up comparing him to his other well-known role. Perhaps that is why I only judge him on his work in this movie.:techman:
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

You should cast people who look incredibly similar to each other. Like Nimoy and Quinto.
LOL@ Quinto looking like Nimoy.
Yeah right, they totally don't look alike, there is 1 cm of difference there, and see, there is 0.5 cm of difference on this side of face...:cardie:

:rolleyes:

Nah, we need to get that clone. That's what's needed, right?

Well, Dr. Sheldon Cooper does have Nimoy's DNA on a napkin. Let's call him up.

:lol:
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Since Chris Pine's Kirk already has a thread like this, I thought it only fair that Zachary Quinto's Spock get one as well.

Personally, Quinto has been a much harder sell for me. There's so much gravitas that Nimoy brought to the character, I missed a lot of that. So for those who absolutely adore Quinto's Spock, tell me which moments are the ones that best sell him as being the same guy that Nimoy played.

Since I have been following the movie since it was first announced in 2006 I had seen Quinto as Spock in so many magazine, pictures, trailers etc, that long before I saw the movie I had accepted that he was Spock.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

The way it has been presented, we were basically watching an alternate universe. Why should we care about that? Because we're told to? Because they have a film? We may as well have had a Mirror Universe film.

By that logic, why should you care about any story? Or TV series? Or set of characters?
You meant to say any story set in an alternate universe with alternate versions of characters, right?


Yeah right, they totally don't look alike
I'm glad you agree. For a moment there I thought you'd gone crazy.
Getting a little tired of seeing this game from you, too, Shazam! Agree or disagree as you see fit, and feel free to explain why -- that's fine and dandy -- but stop trying to put words in the mouths of others; it's a poor debating tactic, and one too often used to bait or troll.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

He actually IS Spock, just as much as Nimoy is Spock.

Oh is he? How so?

Well... so far Quinto hasn't written a book claiming that he isn't Spock.;)

But he seemed to inhabit a believable Spock sort of range. His voice is far softer, and higher pitched, than Nimoy's sonorous baritone, so there are some technical limitations. Thankful that he didn't try to sound deeper.

"Technical limitations." That's a good way to put it. Frankly, I tend to put more emphasis on sound than looks, which may be part of why Quinto is a harder sell for me than for others.

I wonder if there's some new Hollywood trend towards higher voices. That seemed to be a frequent divergence between the new cast & the old cast. Not only was Quinto missing Nimoy's sonorous baritone but also John Cho wasn't anywhere close to George Takei's trademark congestion. And Simon Pegg's Scottish accent reminded me less of James Doohan and more of Dr. Carson Beckett, the high-pitched worry-wart from Stargate Atlantis.

So Tim Russ played an excellent Spock, too...

That's something else I found about Quinto's performance. While he was somewhere on the outskirts of "a believable Spock sort of range," I felt he was further from the Nimoy bullseye than Tim Russ' Tuvok or Mark Lenard's Sarek, and they weren't even trying to play exactly the same character that Nimoy was.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Disagreeing is fine, but why attempt to put words in someone's mouth in such condescending fashion?

Getting a little tired of seeing this game from you, too, Shazam! Agree or disagree as you see fit, and feel free to explain why -- that's fine and dandy -- but stop trying to put words in the mouths of others; it's a poor debating tactic, and one too often used to bait or troll.

Would you please stop doing that? Nobody is putting words in anybody's mouth, and nobody is baiting or trolling. I was merely showing the hole in the logic. And the post by The Borgified Corpse shows that there's at least one being on this planet that understood the point I was making.

There's far worse stuff happening in these forums. I made a point yesterday and the response was "Bullshit!". Now that's much better than putting words in somebody's mouth, is it?




Quinto doesn't look ANYTHING like Nimoy. I would like to say that's a fact but apparently it's a matter of opinion because so many think he looks like a carbon copy of Nimoy. The nose, the eyes, the chin, the mouth, his voice, there's nothing that fits.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Of course, if there's one thing I've learned on internet forums, it's that fans aren't necessarily reasonable by any reasonable parameters of the term. :lol:


HA! It's funny cause it's true.

But yes, I totally agree with everything you said.
 
Re: Moments where you knew you were seeing Spock and not Zachary Quint

Getting a little tired of seeing this game from you, too, Shazam! Agree or disagree as you see fit, and feel free to explain why -- that's fine and dandy -- but stop trying to put words in the mouths of others; it's a poor debating tactic, and one too often used to bait or troll.
1. Sci ignored my point about alternate versions. I was reminding him.

2. There's no debate to be had regarding Nimoy/Quinto. I think they look nothing alike. DevilEyes think they do. I'd much rather have the odd joke about it than pretend it's serious business.
 
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