Moments that really made you cringe or disliked

[number6]

Of course there are people out there who could've written a better script, produced a better movie etc... Hell, there are even people out there would've made a better Spock/Kirk/Sulu etc. To presume otherwise is amazingly shortsighted.

Just because people aren't name and link dropping doesn't mean that those people don't exist.

No. It means they're talking out their ass.

If I knew someone who could write a great story, I would certainly want that person to be KNOWN.

That doesn't make me short sighted. It makes me curious.

Wouldn't you want to know who that person was?? And what other stories they've written??

 

[Sci]

http://chrisallensite.com/wordpress/images/poster_transformers_new1.jpg

And for anyone who felt, as I did, that filming the engine rooms in breweries was a bad idea, you might be interested in this quote from ST09 Production Designer Scott Chambliss:

What a load of horse sh*t! They had a production budget of $150 million, the highest in Trek movie history (TMP, adjusted for inflation, cost approx $100 million, so they were playing with 50% more than a film that's often accused of being wildly expensive and a bloated mess).

Having a lot of money does not mean that you eventually won't hit a budgetary wall. And given how much money was obviously spent everywhere else on the film, I think a reasonable person can see where they would at some point hit a budgetary wall and have to make choices and compromise to keep from going over-budget.

To put this into a modern context, each LOTR movie and Star Wars prequel cost around $90 million and $120 million respectively.

A fact which has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

Main Engineering, one of the most iconic places on board the Enterprise,

Scotty's engine room is not iconic. Scotty's Jeffrey's tube is iconic. Not his engine room, which is a very generic, boring-looking space in TOS.

This film was NOT cheap. Yet they ran out of money to build at least one set for Main Engineering, one of the most iconic places on board the Enterprise, in a film meant to relaunch ST?

Yes.

 

[number6]

Yeah, those guys saying "Why don't you do it better" are idiots, unless they give away the actual money to be able to do it better. I'm sure there are many guys around here who would have been able to write a much better script (either from scratch, or as a revision of the Orci draft), and many who would have been able to direct a far superior movie with that budget.

Insults aside..

I think my point here is that many fans here think they could write a script, or direct a movie, but the fact is that instead of doing something brilliant, they're simply here bitching about it. They didn't get the gig, nor do they really deserve it, and they want to use teh intrawebs as their bully pulpit to tell everyone else how it all should have been done. I don't think any one of these "armchair" hotshots would last a day on a film set, otherwise we would have heard about their exploits in Variety by now.

That's a lot of crap, and you're much more the fool than I ever thought if you don't realize it deep down. Plenty of people don't 'make it' or 'catch on' regardless of talent. It could be money, it could be leaving town or the industry to take care of a sick relative (Robin Curtis springs to mind) ... hell, I remember John Carpenter mentioning often in articles that the best filmmaker he ever knew couldn't ever break in. (and no, numbthoughts, that isn't namedropping as you put it, that is INFORMATION ... you know, 'we want information.')

But the difference is that I did try for more than 15 years, while holding down fulltime work and taking care of other people. And I still work on the non-spendy (i.e. spec writing) end when time allows. So I don't have anything to prove to myself in this regard, and in terms of proving anything to you ... get real, bub. You want something of mine other than what you see here, you pay for it. And if you don't like what you see here, there's some kind of ignore function, isn't there?

So you've really got nothing but a deep seated bitterness about how you never "made it," so you resort to insults and insinuations.

Hey... You are the one going on about how you would have done this, that and the other thing differently and all I'm saying is: Prove it.

That's right, you can't. So instead of being proud of the work that you've done, you're going to call me a fool??

There are plenty of people who post stuff that they've done, because they are proud of what they can do..You obviously are ashamed.

Where were all these guys and gals, pitching their ideas, or showing storyboards, or writing outlines?? Who are all these brilliant, overlooked people you speak of??

Do you mean where they were when the movie was about to be made? I didn't know Paramount was making an open call to script writers and directors out there. I thought they were specifically choosing Abrams & Co, without looking for alternatives. Now if that in your opinion totally excludes the possibility that there are people out there who could have come up with something better, then well... as Shazam! said, that's very shortsighted.

Except, that was not what I was saying. You said there must be loads of people out there who have great ideas...no wait..BETTER ideas.. And I asked you to tell me who they are and point me to what they've done so I can check it out.

Once again you've got nothing. As expected.

 

[Shazam!]

No. It means they're talking out their ass.

If I knew someone who could write a great story, I would certainly want that person to be KNOWN.

That doesn't make me short sighted. It makes me curious.

Wouldn't you want to know who that person was?? And what other stories they've written??

The idea that only Abram's & Co. are capable of producing a decent Star Trek movie is mental.

Abram's isn't even directing the next one. Who is? We don't know.

OMIGOD IT WILL BE SHIT

 

[number6]

http://chrisallensite.com/wordpress/images/poster_transformers_new1.jpg

And for anyone who felt, as I did, that filming the engine rooms in breweries was a bad idea, you might be interested in this quote from ST09 Production Designer Scott Chambliss:

What a load of horse sh*t! They had a production budget of $150 million, the highest in Trek movie history (TMP, adjusted for inflation, cost approx $100 million, so they were playing with 50% more than a film that's often accused of being wildly expensive and a bloated mess).

Having a lot of money does not mean that you eventually won't hit a budgetary wall. And given how much money was obviously spent everywhere else on the film, I think a reasonable person can see where they would at some point hit a budgetary wall and have to make choices and compromise to keep from going over-budget.



A fact which has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

Main Engineering, one of the most iconic places on board the Enterprise,

Scotty's engine room is not iconic. Scotty's Jeffrey's tube is iconic. Not his engine room, which is a very generic, boring-looking space in TOS.

This film was NOT cheap. Yet they ran out of money to build at least one set for Main Engineering, one of the most iconic places on board the Enterprise, in a film meant to relaunch ST?

Yes.

It should also be noted that the SW and LOTR films were shot back to back to save money and take advantage of location and resources.

A great deal of ST XI's money went for special effects.. Did you see the miles of credits given to animators and rotoscopers...

Yeah, I would have liked to have seen an engine room that looked a little more futuristic, but I already knew it was a brewery before I saw it. I am willing to admit that knowing that colours my opinion of it. I don't think anyone else is willing to admit that, because they are to busy hating on it..

And yes it is possible to run out of money making a film..any film. Those sandwiches don't make themselves!!

 

[JarodRussell]

I don't know what else to do. I gave you three names for a start. Look them up for yourself. I can give you many other names if I really cared. But I also realize I can show you anything, you will always be able to say "But that's not better.", you know that, I know that. So it's pointless.



I don't think I even understand your logic. If you strip Abrams from 150 million down to nothing, to a camcorder and his garage, what do you think will he be able to create with that?

 

[number6]

No. It means they're talking out their ass.

If I knew someone who could write a great story, I would certainly want that person to be KNOWN.

That doesn't make me short sighted. It makes me curious.

Wouldn't you want to know who that person was?? And what other stories they've written??

The idea that only Abram's & Co. are capable of producing a decent Star Trek movie is mental.

And who was saying that??

Abram's isn't even directing the next one. Who is? We don't know.

OMIGOD IT WILL BE SHIT

Well you've already made up your mind..we can all go home now.

 

[Shazam!]

Oddly, I didn't really have a problem with the aesthetic of the engine room. I could've done without the comedy whizzing around through pipes (would that have happened in ANY other film or episode of Star Trek?) I usually give credit where credits due for filmmakers making the best possible use of what they have to work with.

 

[number6]

I don't know what else to do. I gave you three names for a start. Look them up for yourself. I can give you many other names if I really cared. But I also realize I can show you anything, you will always be able to say "But that's not better.", you know that, I know that. So it's pointless.

Going back and editing your post to include names and then claiming that you did so after I asked you three times is a bit dishonest.. But to your point, Yes I would have loved to see Nick Meyer do another Star Trek and not James Cawley..Blood and Fire is a major improvement, but he relies way too much on stunt casting as a gimmick. I am looking forward to his version of Mind Sifter, one of my favorite fan stories from the 70s. I like some of Bennet's work, but I don't think he's up to the task of writing a major motion picture that would appeal to anything beyond the fanbase.

I don't think I even understand your logic. If you strip Abrams from 150 million down to nothing, to a camcorder and his garage, what do you think will he be able to create with that?

Cloverfield.

 

[JarodRussell]

Cloverfield had a budget of 25 million dollars, you... aw, God. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

 

[number6]

Cloverfield had a budget of 25 million dollars, you... aw, God. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

Funny you should bring up Khan, which was made with one seventh the budget of TMP.

 

[Shazam!]

Going back and editing your post to include names and then claiming that you did so after I asked you three times is a bit dishonest.. But to your point, Yes I would have loved to see Nick Meyer do another Star Trek and not James Cawley..Blood and Fire is a major improvement, but he relies way too much on stunt casting as a gimmick. I am looking forward to his version of Mind Sifter, one of my favorite fan stories from the 70s. I like some of Bennet's work, but I don't think he's up to the task of writing a major motion picture that would appeal to anything beyond the fanbase.

LOL See, there is the futility of naming who could write a great Star Trek movie; they just get shot down because they haven't written a great Star Trek movie.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Oddly, I didn't really have a problem with the aesthetic of the engine room. I could've done without the comedy whizzing around through pipes (would that have happened in ANY other film or episode of Star Trek?) I usually give credit where credits due for filmmakers making the best possible use of what they have to work with.

I never had a problem with pipe scene. I could have honestly seen that happening in Star Trek IV.

 

[number6]

Oddly, I didn't really have a problem with the aesthetic of the engine room. I could've done without the comedy whizzing around through pipes (would that have happened in ANY other film or episode of Star Trek?)

The turboshaft scene in TFF comes to mind, as does the chase scenes in TVH, not to mention the Dax scene in TUC...should I go on??

I usually give credit where credits due for filmmakers making the best possible use of what they have to work with.

When??
I haven't seen you post anything positive ever.

 

[JarodRussell]

Going back and editing your post to include names and then claiming that you did so after I asked you three times is a bit dishonest..

As is claiming I edited that post when I in fact didn't. At least I can't see a line under that specific post that says "Last edited by JarodRussell..." Who's dishonest?

 

[Shazam!]

When??
I haven't seen you post anything positive ever.

Just then when I said that I didn't mind the engine room?

 

[number6]

Going back and editing your post to include names and then claiming that you did so after I asked you three times is a bit dishonest..

As is claiming I edited that post when I in fact didn't. At least I can't see a line under that specific post that says "Last edited by JarodRussell..." Who's dishonest?

I quoted you directly and those names weren't there. The "last edited" notation doesn't happen all the time..and you know that.

I just edited this.

 

[number6]

When??
I haven't seen you post anything positive ever.

Just then when I said that I didn't mind the engine room?

It took you 16 pages to write something positive.

BTW, Jarod, I edited this post just now.. three times.

 

[JarodRussell]

Going back and editing your post to include names and then claiming that you did so after I asked you three times is a bit dishonest..

As is claiming I edited that post when I in fact didn't. At least I can't see a line under that specific post that says "Last edited by JarodRussell..." Who's dishonest?

I quoted you directly and those names weren't there. The "last edited" notation doesn't happen all the time..and you know that.

So you do agree that I edited it before I was able to read your own reply to it. Why is it my fault that you quote me faster than I can type?

 

[JarodRussell]

And you still haven't answered my question. What would Abrams be able to do without any budget and no company like Paramount supporting him? Your answer was a movie with a 25 million budget, very smart.