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Moffat: The Whole Rotten Saga

So, in the span of three months, Martha met Mickey, broke up with Milligan, and married Mickey. About the only thing I can figure they have in common is they're both resentful of Rose Tyler. Now, I'm hardly an expert in these matters, but I'm pretty sure resenting the same person is not sufficient grounds for two people to get married.

I almost made a reference to 500 Days of Summer having someone end a nine-month relationship, be engaged to someone she met after the breakup four months later, and then married three months after that, but I thought it was pushing it since, as said, it's ambiguous when the Doctor sees Mickey and Martha (though he seemed to stay somewhere between "more than however long it was for him" and "less than several years" for the other present-day companions judging by Wilf's reaction to seeing him at the wedding and his visit to Sarah Jane taking place contemporaneously with where her show was at the time), but, yeesh. The low-end estimate is even lower than I thought.
 
I almost made a reference to 500 Days of Summer having someone end a nine-month relationship, be engaged to someone she met after the breakup four months later, and then married three months after that, but I thought it was pushing it since, as said, it's ambiguous when the Doctor sees Mickey and Martha (though he seemed to stay somewhere between "more than however long it was for him" and "less than several years" for the other present-day companions judging by Wilf's reaction to seeing him at the wedding and his visit to Sarah Jane taking place contemporaneously with where her show was at the time), but, yeesh. The low-end estimate is even lower than I thought.

Assuming Mickey and Martha haven't access to Time Travel Tech. Which I thought Mickey did somehow.. Didn't mickey make a cameo in torchwood? I know Spike from Buffy did!
 
The Doctor visited some of his "friends" at times to save save them. Mickey & Martha when the Sontaran had the drop on them. Sarah's "son" when he almost got hit by a car. Joan Redfern's granddaughter, confirming the stories in the book were true and that she had a happy life (and so did he). Then Donna (and Wilf and Sylvia) to give Donna her wedding present. The last trip was for him, to see Rose. They weren't all in the same time (year).
 
Didn't mickey make a cameo in torchwood?
Mickey never appeared in Torchwood, though Noel Clarke did write an episode.
They weren't all in the same time (year).
Aside from seeing Rose a few months prior to when she first met the Ninth Doctor, almost all of them were in the vicinity of 2009/2010. Captain Jack's trip to the alien bar and hook-up with Midshipman Frame seems to take place between Children of Earth and Miracle Day, Donna's Wedding is supposed to be in the forthcoming spring, and Sarah Jane's son in making reference to the events of TEOT as though they just happened when he's nearly hit by the car. Add onto that, when Jo Grant was on SJA, the Eleventh Doctor claims that as the Tenth went on his life tour, he visited Jo at a point in the 2009/2010 vicinity as well. If anything, it would be very odd indeed if Martha and Mickey's scene is for some reason not in this time frame. Regardless, even if that scene did take place in a different time period, they were still married three months after they met. Torchwood confirmed that.

Although, I feel like adding, the decision to have Rose's scene set in 2005 before she met the Doctor was made late in the revisions process, and several drafts actually involved Rose and Hand-Job Doctor in Pete's World somehow getting an otherworldly sense the Tenth Doctor was going to regenerate. I include that only because it helps sell the idea that it really was RTD's intention for all these scenes to be more or less within a year, of the main events of TEOT.
 
Although, I feel like adding, the decision to have Rose's scene set in 2005 before she met the Doctor was made late in the revisions process, and several drafts actually involved Rose and Hand-Job Doctor in Pete's World somehow getting an otherworldly sense the Tenth Doctor was going to regenerate.
Do you think Rose had a happy ending with the Hand-Job Doctor? ;)
 
Mickey never appeared in Torchwood, though Noel Clarke did write an episode.

Aside from seeing Rose a few months prior to when she first met the Ninth Doctor, almost all of them were in the vicinity of 2009/2010. Captain Jack's trip to the alien bar and hook-up with Midshipman Frame seems to take place between Children of Earth and Miracle Day, Donna's Wedding is supposed to be in the forthcoming spring, and Sarah Jane's son in making reference to the events of TEOT as though they just happened when he's nearly hit by the car. Add onto that, when Jo Grant was on SJA, the Eleventh Doctor claims that as the Tenth went on his life tour, he visited Jo at a point in the 2009/2010 vicinity as well. If anything, it would be very odd indeed if Martha and Mickey's scene is for some reason not in this time frame. Regardless, even if that scene did take place in a different time period, they were still married three months after they met. Torchwood confirmed that.

Although, I feel like adding, the decision to have Rose's scene set in 2005 before she met the Doctor was made late in the revisions process, and several drafts actually involved Rose and Hand-Job Doctor in Pete's World somehow getting an otherworldly sense the Tenth Doctor was going to regenerate. I include that only because it helps sell the idea that it really was RTD's intention for all these scenes to be more or less within a year, of the main events of TEOT.

So I guess the inference here is Mickey and Martha really, really hit it off.. That's actually romantic.
 
Add onto that, when Jo Grant was on SJA, the Eleventh Doctor claims that as the Tenth went on his life tour, he visited Jo at a point in the 2009/2010 vicinity as well.

One morning, riding the train to work, I wrote a two-page fanfic to amuse myself about all of the other people the tenth Doctor visited during his "farewell tour." I wish I could find what I did with it, because it was kinda funny in a sick way.

The idea was that the farewell tour stretched into a day, two days, three... and after *ahem* with Lady Christina the tenth Doctor thinks he's going to be okay. He's not going to regenerate after all. That tingly feeling he felt, it was like heartburn, and now it's passed. But, just in case, he goes to visit Rose. Only, what we see on television is the way the tenth Doctor remembers the visit. What actually happened is that there was this guy lurking around her estate creeping on her. So, Rose pepper sprayed the tenth Doctor, there was no Ood, he stumbled blind and in massive pain into the TARDIS, and that's why he regenerated, all because Rose Tyler maced a guy she thought was a creep. You can see why the Doctor doesn't want to remember it that way. :)

Seriously, though, I think the Doctor visited a couple more people during his farewell tour. In my mind, I know how the tenth Doctor's visit to see Emily Winter after the IDW comics run goes. And maybe there's a visit to Majenta Pryce from DWM. And he can't visit Gabby because of what happens to her at the end of Titan's Tenth Doctor Year Three, but I imagine he looks in on Cindy and Anubis. You can squeeze a couple in.
 
One morning, riding the train to work, I wrote a two-page fanfic to amuse myself about all of the other people the tenth Doctor visited during his "farewell tour." I wish I could find what I did with it, because it was kinda funny in a sick way.

The idea was that the farewell tour stretched into a day, two days, three... and after *ahem* with Lady Christina the tenth Doctor thinks he's going to be okay. He's not going to regenerate after all. That tingly feeling he felt, it was like heartburn, and now it's passed. But, just in case, he goes to visit Rose. Only, what we see on television is the way the tenth Doctor remembers the visit. What actually happened is that there was this guy lurking around her estate creeping on her. So, Rose pepper sprayed the tenth Doctor, there was no Ood, he stumbled blind and in massive pain into the TARDIS, and that's why he regenerated, all because Rose Tyler maced a guy she thought was a creep. You can see why the Doctor doesn't want to remember it that way. :)

Seriously, though, I think the Doctor visited a couple more people during his farewell tour. In my mind, I know how the tenth Doctor's visit to see Emily Winter after the IDW comics run goes. And maybe there's a visit to Majenta Pryce from DWM. And he can't visit Gabby because of what happens to her at the end of Titan's Tenth Doctor Year Three, but I imagine he looks in on Cindy and Anubis. You can squeeze a couple in.

Didn't Smith visit other places in between episodes too? I seem to remember odd occurances cropping up. Making references to side adventures that happened during a brief moment before his return to Amy and Rory.
 
Seriously, though, I think the Doctor visited a couple more people during his farewell tour. In my mind, I know how the tenth Doctor's visit to see Emily Winter after the IDW comics run goes. And maybe there's a visit to Majenta Pryce from DWM. And he can't visit Gabby because of what happens to her at the end of Titan's Tenth Doctor Year Three, but I imagine he looks in on Cindy and Anubis. You can squeeze a couple in.
Unless I misunderstood something, the Lady Christina story in Big Finish's Tenth Doctor Chronicles set that came out last week is set during the farewell tour.
 
Unless I misunderstood something, the Lady Christina story in Big Finish's Tenth Doctor Chronicles set that came out last week is set during the farewell tour.

Cool. I haven't gotten that yet. :)

What happens?

Gabby had to enter the time-space vortex to save the Doctor and the universe. Bad Wolf/The Moment saves her and deposits her somewhere else, on the twelfth Doctor's TARDIS, sometime between Clara and Bill, so she's lost to the tenth Doctor now.
 
He kept chasing successes of Blink and the Empty Child. Sometimes he had successes. but I felt like he started to revisit the same ideas over and over. some episodes were just dumb. Capaldi deserved better than Deep Breath, the Robin hood thing, or the "Turn on your lights if you are ok risking our planet for a moon egg thing" episode. They lost me at that point. I'll revisit again but they lost me after season 8. I've been watching since the early 80's but just taking a break now. If the writing improves ill return to watching it.
 
The idea was that the farewell tour stretched into a day, two days, three... and after *ahem* with Lady Christina the tenth Doctor thinks he's going to be okay. He's not going to regenerate after all. That tingly feeling he felt, it was like heartburn, and now it's passed. But, just in case, he goes to visit Rose. Only, what we see on television is the way the tenth Doctor remembers the visit. What actually happened is that there was this guy lurking around her estate creeping on her. So, Rose pepper sprayed the tenth Doctor, there was no Ood, he stumbled blind and in massive pain into the TARDIS, and that's why he regenerated, all because Rose Tyler maced a guy she thought was a creep. You can see why the Doctor doesn't want to remember it that way. :)
:lol: I'm making that part of my head canon now.
 
99% of people grieving for a loved one don't try to murder their friends.

99% of grieving people don't know someone with a time machine. I think her actions make sense given that level of desperation and the ultimate arc of her character. She's the one who went "too far," got cocky, got herself killed, and ultimately got to become her own version of the Doctor.

Now, Clara attempting to destroy all of the TARDIS keys is not necessarily one of my favorite moments for her character. However, I forgive it because it gives us one of Capaldi's most badass moments. "Either throw the key or stop threatening me! There really isn't a 3rd option here."

Also, she's not the only one to use deadly force to try to force a time traveler to save a dead loved one. SEE this (starting around the 3:00 mark):
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:D

I’ll be honest, the only companion who ever annoyed me was Mel, but I am a bit unfair there because I have successfully only seen her first and last episodes.

Mel was just kinda there. I think she had potential. She wasn't as downright abrasive as Tegan or Peri and wasn't as annoying as Adric or Turlough. But they just never gave her anything to do! She didn't even have much of a personality besides "fitness instructor who wants to force the 6th Doctor to lose weight."

Happy endings are fine, it's the weird way RTD in particular found of compensating characters that's always bugged me!

The worst has gotta be Elton's girlfriend getting brought back as a paving slab in "Love & Monsters." Once Me decided to take it upon herself to look after former companions and other human wreckage that the Doctor leaves in his wake, I decided in my head-canon that she showed up a couple weeks later and put Moaning Myrtle out of her misery.

I suspect the writers of the back half of series 6 had no idea that there were serious emotional issues with Rory and Amy there to address. Of course, "The Girl Who Waited" and "The God Complex" had their own heavy issues, but some dialogue about how the Doctor let what happened with the infant Melody happen would not have been out of place.

The worst of it was "Night Terrors," which is all about parenting, so it really should have come up at some point! (Although, as I understand it, "Night Terrors" was originally supposed to air during the first half of the season and it was a fairly late decision to have it swap places with "The Curse of the Black Spot.")

I remember the wilderness years of the show, and I am not exaggerating to say being ‘outed’ as a Doctor Who fan was not entirely dissimilar to being outed as gay in an all boys school. (Given the existence of Real world fan group ‘the sisterhood of karn’ there’s probably a big crossover, but it’s not really my area) so I definitely know a thing or two about growing up with the show and watching it evolve across media. It still shocks me to see it as this international thing, lauded drama etc....I mean there’s that feeling of vindication, but I also have this feeling of ‘where the fuck were all you guys twenty years ago? We coulda used the help..’ xD

While I didn't start watching Doctor Who until I was in college, as someone who spent all of middle school and high school as an ostracized Trekkie, I can certainly relate. I think that's part of the reason why "gatekeeping" has become such a thing in certain segments of fan cultures. SF/F has traditionally been a haven for people who feel socially marginalized, giving them something they can feel a sense of control & ownership over. The more mainstream it becomes, the more diluted that sense of identity becomes, generating a greater strain between existing fans & new fans who bring different expectations to the material.

I'm hoping the comics will tackle it and BF at some point.. But the Impossible girl sets the stage that Clara can reappear with no memory of the Doctor and yet be his companion again..

I seem to recall reading a portion of a story in the DWM comics where the 12th Doctor & Clara meet one of the Clara splinters in some Antarctic base.

I am ambivalent to be honest, all I know is, there’s less rocks with his name on now than there was twenty years ago. I think people generally like Philip Segal again too.

I think because, regardless of the quality of their efforts, they kept the TV franchise going when no one else was. In retrospect, I'm kinda less annoyed with Rick Berman now too (although that changes every time I see his name in a writing credit on an Enterprise episode :evil:).

She "threw away his keys" alright...on a fucking dangerous planet that was literally going to kill them if he couldn't enter the TARDIS. Sure, Doctor Who fans know that The Doctor can literally snap his fingers to open the TARDIS, a power he may not use much but I doubt he lost the ability between his 10th and 12th incarnations, but Clara (and possibly the writer) didn't know that.

Unfortunately, the writer did know that, since the finger snapping was introduced in "Forest of the Dead," which, like "Dark Water," was written by Moffat. Also, Clara would have at least known that snapping fingers could close the doors while inside the TARDIS, since she did just that at the beginning of "The Day of the Doctor." I also seem to recall a bit in an episode where Clara & the 12th Doctor kept snapping the doors closed & open again, Clara because she wanted to talk to him and the Doctor because he was trying to get rid of her. I don't 100% remember which episode that was, but I'm pretty sure it was either at the beginning of "The Caretaker" or during their big argument at the end of "Kill the Moon."

I would love to see a M & M Team Spin off.. or Audio Drama, or Comic..

At the very least, it would be nice if Martha & Mickey showed up as a married couple in one of the Tennant audios.

I almost made a reference to 500 Days of Summer having someone end a nine-month relationship, be engaged to someone she met after the breakup four months later, and then married three months after that

Great movie. I own it on DVD, although it was so devastating that I'm not sure I could bear to watch it again.
 
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