Moffat: The Whole Rotten Saga

[starsuperion]

The early Hartnell years were more like "The Ian & Barbara Show" with the Doctor as this enigmatic instigator.

Troughton started the tradition of the Doctor being more of the lead but it seemed like Jamie & Zoe usually felt themselves to be equal partners with the Doctor. While the Doctor may have had more technical expertise and could often connect the dots to explain what's going on, they all knew that they were all just winging it.



Peri was an amateur and was completely out of her depth in the bickering department. You'd need an A-level queen bitch like Tegan to keep up with the 6th Doctor!

I find no fault in all the logic above, great job! Lol

 

[The Wormhole]

You'd need an A-level queen bitch like Tegan to keep up with the 6th Doctor!

Tegan actually did work well with the Sixth Doctor in In a Fix with Sontarans. Which I guess we aren't actually supposed to mention these days, because, well, you know...

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Tegan actually did work well with the Sixth Doctor in In a Fix with Sontarans. Which I guess we aren't actually supposed to mention these days, because, well, you know...

I was going to say Tegan's awful haircut, but then I realized what you really meant...

 

[Mr Soak]

Could someone replace Saville with Michael Grade in Fix, please? It would remain relevant.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

"A Fix with the Sontarans" is some of the best work we ever saw from either Tegan or the 6th Doctor. They were very well matched. Although I'm not sure if they would have worked on the regular series. It would have been "The Loudest Show on Earth!"

 

[Gavin70]

That whole situation really needs to be explained at some point, even if it's in a novel, comic, audio, whatever.

I like to assume that they joined up with Torchwood (which I think was the intention but then the series was cut to a 5 episode story for season 3 and the actors took up other opportunities instead since they couldn't be guaranteed a full series contract). As for there only being 3 months between Journeys End and Children of Earth, perhaps they got shifted out of time and spent a couple of years in the future (or past) before being returned to their own time where only a few days had passed. That way it's possible for them to build a relationship over time without things having to be rushed. Being part of Torchwood would also explain the Sontaran hunting. As for where they were in Miracle Day, I refuse to admit that ever happened. The whole thing was imagined by Jack while drunk/high in the space bar with Alonso.

 

[The Wormhole]

Being part of Torchwood would also explain the Sontaran hunting.

Except the whole Sontatan hunting scene in TEOT is set after Torchwood was disbanded.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

As for where they were in Miracle Day, I refuse to admit that ever happened. The whole thing was imagined by Jack while drunk/high in the space bar with Alonso.

Agreed. Thankfully, I'm pretty sure the rest of the Doctor Who universe is also willing to deny its existence. (And in-universe, we can justify it by saying that the Doctor's antics are rewriting time all the time. Remember when Great Britain was sending manned missions to Mars in the 1970s in "The Ambassadors of Death"? Of course not! No one does! The whole thing was undoubtedly erased and rewritten dozens of times, probably thanks to Tegan stepping on a butterfly during "The Visitation" or something!)

 

[Starkers]

Oh that's right, everyone always blames Tegan!

 

[Matthew Raymond]

The writing for all those Peter Capaldi episodes would have been much better if it weren't for TEGAN!

 

[Mr Soak]

The writing for all those Peter Capaldi episodes would have been much better if it weren't for TEGAN!

Timelines Egregiously Generated And Neutered?

 

[Gavin70]

Except the whole Sontatan hunting scene in TEOT is set after Torchwood was disbanded.

Well obviously they reformed after that. Or morphed into a whole new alien hunting team.

 

[Butters]

Well obviously they reformed after that. Or morphed into a whole new alien hunting team.

I always imagined that they’d gone freelance, much like Sarah Jane, but with guns.

 

[Gavin70]

I always imagined that they’d gone freelance, much like Sarah Jane, but with guns.

Also a good possibility

 

[worf1965]

It tends to annoy the Scots, N. Irish and Welsh when people refer to England i.e. the Queen of England when they mean the Queen of the UK.

I would think they should prefer the Queen of England title as they are separate peoples who should have their own independent nations - not subject to a foreign monarch.

 

[MacLeod]

I would think they should prefer the Queen of England title as they are separate peoples who should have their own independent nations - not subject to a foreign monarch.

You do know it was a Scottish King that united the crowns between Scotland and England in 1603?

The people living in Scotland also recently had an Independence vote, they voted to remain part of the UK.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I would think they should prefer the Queen of England title as they are separate peoples who should have their own independent nations - not subject to a foreign monarch.

The Queen is a direct descendant of many Scottish monarchs, including Robert the Bruce (she is also a descendant of Charlemagne and the Prophet Mohammed, but let's not go into that now). I will admit England did kick out James II during the Glorious Revolution of 1688, but, seeing as the male Stuarts believed in the divine right of kings, screw them. Anyway, we kept Mary and Anne Stuart around until 1714 before we invited in the German crowd.

The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth, for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself they are called gods. There be three principal comparisons that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God, and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the Divine power. Kings are also compared to fathers of families; for a king is truly parens patriae, the politic father of his people. And lastly, kings are compared to the head of this microcosm of the body of man.

James I of England, VI of Scotland - extract from speech to the English parliament in 1610

 

[TommyR01D]

Oh dear, we're in full SDMB mode now. All we need to complete the picture is a flamewar about circumcision ethics!

I always imagined that they’d gone freelance, much like Sarah Jane, but with guns.

For some time I've been wondering about the feasibility of making a combination series - Jack and Gwen teaming up with Luke, Rani and Clyde. Of course you'd have to decide what to do with the wrap-up of Miracle Day (personally I tend to support the scrunch-up-your-eyes-really-hard-and-deny-it-ever-happened approach) and likely address Sladen's death as well.

There could be a lot of potential in such a series, though I'm worried that the writers would just use it as an excuse to do post-watershed stuff with the former child stars.

 

[Gavin70]

Of course you'd have to decide what to do with the wrap-up of Miracle Day (personally I tend to support the scrunch-up-your-eyes-really-hard-and-deny-it-ever-happened approach)

Deny what ever happened? Repeat after me "IT DID NOT HAPPEN"

The most I'll ever accept is that the whole thing was a drug induced nightmare that Jack experienced in that alien bar after Children of Earth. And even that much acceptance would be stretching things.

 

[Qonundrum]

Tegan actually did work well with the Sixth Doctor in In a Fix with Sontarans. Which I guess we aren't actually supposed to mention these days, because, well, you know...

Gotta keep the product separate from its creator. Or keep the two together linked. I've noticed a discontinuity and have done the same thing myself without realizing it so one day I'll make up my mind and understand why others go the way they do. But before I wallow in pontifications or ruminations, I'll focus on what was good at the time it was made:

As a one-off, made during the show's hiatus, unavailability of Nicola, et al, they got in Janet Fielding as Tegan and viewers quickly saw how much screen chemistry she and Colin worked together, especially during the cheesiness of the ("script"?). Still make me wish Peri was back as Colin and Nicola clearly had their own mojo together despite having to act out bickering most of the time... imagine if Davison worked with Peri as his companion for longer (barely 2 stories and they were wonderful) and Colin had Tegan (missed opportunity). It's a bit of unique history and for Gareth Jenkins it would have been the moment of a lifetime to get to be on the actual set with Colin and Janet and on national television. A rare moment of squee! for sure. Any kid who was a fan would likely feel the same way, it was a big contest back in the day.