Moffat says No master, But what About Omega?

[Green Lantern]

The utterly selfish bastard. They could easily find a way to bring him back, maybe via a past incarnation or maybe he's imprisoned on Galifrey. There are fans of the Master who want him back, and the Master is my favourite villain so Moffat is depriving me of my favourite villain. Anyone else would have brought him back but oh no, not selfish Moffat, he just does what he wants and uses only who he likes, he tried fucking up the Daleks ages ago.

Yea, I recall reading something a month or so back from Moffat, where he said he wasn't bringing The Master back, just because he wanted to Cheese-off Green Lantern.

I know right, I don't think the guy likes me. Just because I called him a selfish bastard, a curly haired c*nt, a Scottish goofy fuck, a talentless prick and many more names, he's easily so upset.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

If the Master returns I wonder if the Doctor will attempt to make peace with him again. Tennant's Doctor was always forgiving him, trying to help him or offering him companionship, whereas previous Doctors were actually glad to see him lose/vanish/appear to die or whatever.


As for Omega, there was a rumor going around a few years ago that he was the villain behind the Silence. It's also possible I suppose that he could've been used in the Time War, since they brought back Rassilon and the Master.

 

[Candlelight]

he tried fucking up the Daleks ages ago.

There hasn't been a decent Dalek story since Moffat took over.

 

[Green Lantern]

he tried fucking up the Daleks ages ago.

There hasn't been a decent Dalek story since Moffat took over.

Exactly. The closest we got to a good Dalek story was Day of the Doctor, but it wasn't focussed on the Daleks. Moffat simply doesn't like the Daleks much, I think he's said so himself so he's been childish and made every Dalek story crap.

Although the Cybermen are supposedly his favourites but there hasn't really been a great Cyberman story since he took over either, although the Pandorica Opens was done tastefully when it came to the Cyberman and I think he and Gainman tried hard to make a good Cyberman story in silver Nemisis, but that just ended up failing as Gainman isn't really geared up for those kind of stories.

So since Moffat took over, there's not been a decent Dalek or Cyberman story with no Master stories at all, that's basically the traditional "big three" of Doctor Who utterly abused by Moffat. The only things he's really done properly were his own creations, showing us how self obsessed he is when it comes to the show.

 

[Candlelight]

Moffat let slip at the start of his tenure that he "didn't know how to write for Daleks", which is a pretty dumb statement to say for a showrunner - get another writer to helm it! His influence though is obvious throughout all his stories.

The Master is an easy character to bring back. I was never particularly amazed by Master storylines but he's a fan favourite so I don't see why he shouldn't come back. At the very least have him nick a Tardis from Gallifrey and escape the final battle so at least he can run away at the end of every story. He doesn't have to be an arc-ending villain, he can pop up mid season in a two-parter or just a single episode (like the Ice Warrior last year).

Don't get me started on Cybermen. There hasn't been a decent Cyberman story since the 1980s.

 

[Green Lantern]

Moffat let slip at the start of his tenure that he "didn't know how to write for Daleks", which is a pretty dumb statement to say for a showrunner - get another writer to helm it! His influence though is obvious throughout all his stories.

The Master is an easy character to bring back. I was never particularly amazed by Master storylines but he's a fan favourite so I don't see why he should come back.

Don't get me started on Cybermen. There hasn't been a decent Cyberman story since the 1980s.

Why on Earth would the BBC hire a showrunner for Doctor Who who doesn't know how to write for Daleks? It's like having a Star Wars writer who doesn't know how to write for siths or a star trek writer who can't write for Klingons.

He'd be very easy to bring back indeed, and I've always loved the master. Apart from the Daleks (until Moffat raped them), he's the only villain who could really get inside the doctors head and torment him, probably more so than the Daleks, or at least until the Time War. I'd say the Valeyard also gets inside the Doctors head BTW.

To be honest I'd be inclined to disagree, I really enjoyed Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel, but I can see why you'd think that. Army of Ghosts/Doomsday was also good, and The Next Doctor was underrated; not outstanding but still beats most of Moffat's crap. So I'd argue we haven't had a bearable Cyberman story since 2008 and a really good one since 2006. However even in the 1980s, there was only really Earthshock to write home about, Attack of the Cybermen and Silver Nemesis were.......questionable, especially the latter. if not for Earthshock though you could argue that the last decent Cyberman outing was in the 60s as Revenge of the Cybermen wasn't that good (okay but not that good).

 

[Professor Zoom]

Why on Earth would the BBC hire a showrunner for Doctor Who who doesn't know how to write for Daleks?

Lots of good reasons.

He wrote some of the most popular stories during RTD's run.
He's a successful show runner
There is more to Doctor Who than just the fucking Daleks.
Moffat could hire other people to write the Daleks.
He could create some new monsters for Doctor Who rather than trotting out the Daleks again and again--which would create new toys for the BBC to sell.

All in all, they were right to hire him. Doctor Who is a world wide phenomenon. Due in part to his work.

So, yeah, that's why the BBC hired someone who "doesn't know how to write the Daleks."

PS: I know you're like 15, but, "raped" the Daleks...? Rape is a serious thing. It's not meant to describe how a writer didn't write a fictional thing to your liking.

 

[Sindatur]

Yea, although not as good as it's Inspiration (The Audio with Peter Davison Doctor and Nyssa, Spare Parts), I enjoyed the First Pete's World Cyber-Story, and the follow up to the First Cybus Story was also pretty good, IMHO, especially leading into the Finale. The Next Doctor, I enjoyed, until it went over the top (For my tastes) with the Cyber-King. I never understood the enjoyment one gets out of Transformers

Maybe I'm just not demanding enough in my viewing, but, I loved Silver Nemesis when it first aired on PBS back in the day (Especially the reuse of the Actress for Lady Penforth), and I still enjoy it to this day. It's FAR better, IMHO, then the Colin Baker Dalek Story, which I only re-watch because I'm supposed to like it and because I'm an obsessive completist with re-watches (Plus there's a few good performances or scenes sprinkled throughout the 4 episode story)

 

[Sindatur]

PS: I know you're like 15, but, "raped" the Daleks...? Rape is a serious thing. It's not meant to describe how a writer didn't write a fictional thing to your liking.

Yea, "Curly-Haired" Cent (A Ceasar Coin?) could also easily be interpreted as being insulting to women with the way it was written above, if you don't provide the proper context.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't mean to distract from the thread, but I'm more than a little tired of casual misogyny in geek culture.

 

[Venardhi]

"Rape" is not exclusively linked with misogyny, nor is using the word in this context misogynistic. You might argue it is in bad taste and even improper usage, but at no moment was a woman or women involved in his words or his communicative intent.

 

[Sindatur]

"Rape" is not exclusively linked with misogyny, nor is using the word in this context misogynistic. You might argue it is in bad taste and even improper usage, but at no moment was a woman or women involved in his words or his communicative intent.

Well, sure... the only women hurt are the ones who feel their skin crawling when they read the word, but, of course, they should just suck it up and deal with it so that Misogynists can get that joke outta their system, AmIRght?

Really doesn't matter how you to try to dress up or water down a word (any word), if you know a fair amount of your audience may be offended, you shouldn't use it (In text or verbally).

IMHO!!!! Of course

 

[intrinsical]

Anywho, I thought Into The Dalek will be a very good Dalek episode when seen by the public.

 

[Venardhi]

"Rape" is not exclusively linked with misogyny, nor is using the word in this context misogynistic. You might argue it is in bad taste and even improper usage, but at no moment was a woman or women involved in his words or his communicative intent.

Well, sure... the only women hurt are the ones who feel their skin crawling when they read the word, but, of course, they should just suck it up and deal with it so that Misogynists can get that joke outta their system, AmIRght?

Really doesn't matter how you to try to dress up or water down a word (any word), if you know a fair amount of your audience may be offended, you shouldn't use it (In text or verbally).

IMHO!!!! Of course

I'm not going to continue this conversation here. Suffice it to say I sympathize and empathize but disagree on a fundamental level with almost everything you've said.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Um, back to Doctor Who...


I definitely think we'll see the Master again, but it really may not be under Moffat's watch.

Which would be a shame. I think this new Doctor is ideally suited to square off with the Master as much as the Third Doctor was, IMO.

 

[Green Lantern]

Um, back to Doctor Who...


I definitely think we'll see the Master again, but it really may not be under Moffat's watch.

Which would be a shame. I think this new Doctor is ideally suited to square off with the Master as much as the Third Doctor was, IMO.

Indeed, in fact I think he'll appear in the first series Moffat isn't in as everyone else probably wants him back, but the question is when will that be? Moffat a while back said he'd leave at the end of series 8, now it looks like he'll be there for series 9 too (outlasting RTD ) so god knows how long he'll be doing it.

 

[Green Lantern]

Yea, although not as good as it's Inspiration (The Audio with Peter Davison Doctor and Nyssa, Spare Parts), I enjoyed the First Pete's World Cyber-Story, and the follow up to the First Cybus Story was also pretty good, IMHO, especially leading into the Finale. The Next Doctor, I enjoyed, until it went over the top (For my tastes) with the Cyber-King. I never understood the enjoyment one gets out of Transformers

Maybe I'm just not demanding enough in my viewing, but, I loved Silver Nemesis when it first aired on PBS back in the day (Especially the reuse of the Actress for Lady Penforth), and I still enjoy it to this day. It's FAR better, IMHO, then the Colin Baker Dalek Story, which I only re-watch because I'm supposed to like it and because I'm an obsessive completist with re-watches (Plus there's a few good performances or scenes sprinkled throughout the 4 episode story)

I suppose the Cyberking was too much, I'm not a fan of it. But up until then the episode was really good. I suppose the Cyberking did kinda ruin it.

You didn't like the Colin Baker Dalek story? IMO it's the best Dalek story of the classic series, plus I felt it influenced the best Dalek stories ever; the Christopher Eccleston Dalek stories. And Silver Nemisis was really dull IMO, sometimes I can see why people like stories I don't, but I can't see how anyone could really like Silver Nemesis much.

PS: I know you're like 15, but, "raped" the Daleks...? Rape is a serious thing. It's not meant to describe how a writer didn't write a fictional thing to your liking.

I bet you're one of these people who get offended by a picture of a Swastika or feel "sickened by it".

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Revelation of the Daleks is sort of a bizzare story but it's well directed by Graeme Harper (Who did Androzani and directed some notable RTD-era episodes and Sarah Jane).


It's also the last really violent classic WHO, since the BBC asked them to tone down things after that. Dragonfire and Curse of Fenric for instance had originally really gory ends for the bad guys, but those were kind of cut back a bit.


Part of the problem with Nemesis is that the story is pretty much the same as Rememberance Of The Daleks but far campier and set in modern day. McCoy's performance is also a letdown after his darker turn in Rememberance. Plus the Cybermen's gold weakness is at it's worst until Nightmare in Silver (A golden ticket? Seriously?)

 

[Professor Zoom]

PS: I know you're like 15, but, "raped" the Daleks...? Rape is a serious thing. It's not meant to describe how a writer didn't write a fictional thing to your liking.

I bet you're one of these people who get offended by a picture of a Swastika or feel "sickened by it".

You would lose that bet. However, I am sick of entitled fan boys casually using hyperbolic language to describe how hurt they are that a show runner isn't doing what they think they should do with a TV show.

It's childish at best. Divisive at worst.

This is the last I'll say, as I don't want to drag the topic off further.

 

[Green Lantern]

PS: I know you're like 15, but, "raped" the Daleks...? Rape is a serious thing. It's not meant to describe how a writer didn't write a fictional thing to your liking.

I bet you're one of these people who get offended by a picture of a Swastika or feel "sickened by it".

You would lose that bet. However, I am sick of entitled fan boys casually using hyperbolic language to describe how hurt they are that a show runner isn't doing what they think they should do with a TV show.

It's childish at best. Divisive at worst.

This is the last I'll say, as I don't want to drag the topic off further.

What's wrong with using hyperbolic language? Okay I was feeling a bitchy earlier but still, what's wrong with over exaggerating?

But yes, lets put the topic to rest.