Moffat reveals who Tom was playing in Day of the Doctor!

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  1. The Wormhole

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    I interpreted the "end of the universe" comment to mean the very edge of the universe, not its temporal end. After all, the General said "end of the universe, give or take a solar system" which sounds more like a measurement of distance rather than time.
     
  2. Christopher

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    No, it was explicitly "the extreme end of the time continuum," so far into the future that nothing was left. "Give or take a star system" meant that there was still at least one star system that hadn't died yet, namely Gallifrey's.
     
  3. starsuperion

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    Well, My personal feeling is the Moment is a Time Lord invention, yes.. it's consciousness is actually the acquisition of the persona that is part of the vortex, known as Bad Wolf. In the 50th, there's a line that Billie says that explains that, but leaves open the idea that the moment was created using the Bad Wolf persona long ago, since the badwolf exists all across space and time as an entity of Rose's mind, it's loss of link to Rose being she is in an alternative universe, and it's subsequent capture and integration within the moment box, is where I come down on the idea.. and with that being the case, I can certainly be behind the idea of the Doctor regenerating into past bodies of himself. Just as he did subconsciously in becoming the Roman version of Capaldi as a face. You know something makes me wonder if the choice of Jodie wasn't based on the idea of Romana from the animated Shada.. They do look similar.. one could say Capaldi has some sort of arc around Romana subconsciously and becomes Jodie in a certain aspect of that, along with the death of Missy, which reminds me of Norman changing from his male gender computer persona to Hattie in Red Dwarf as Holly, after meeting Hilly and falling in love. .

    anyhow, I can see the parallel to Romana in the style of actress they chose in Jodie, tho It could be a coincidence.
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  4. starsuperion

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    I took it as the extreme end of time, where only a few solar systems were left. But before the shinning devastation, and the doctor ending up on that planet with the future kind, Jack and Martha trying to get to Utopia and survive the end of the universe, and also time.
     
  5. Takeru

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    There's no edge of the universe, they definitely meant end as in "everything's dead except for Gallifrey".
     
  6. Christopher

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    No, I think it was probably after all that, as Takeru said -- at least at the end when they were furthest forward in time. I mean, the whole idea is that Gallifrey was protected from discovery by being shunted to the extreme end of time. Which would mean it was "younger" than all the other star systems around it and would therefore logically last longer. Also, it makes sense that the Time Lords would be the ones to turn out the lights when Time itself closed up shop.
     
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  7. starsuperion

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    The titan comics has a great follow up to Hell Bent, wherein Rassilon ends up in another solar system, encountering the cybermen. It's a good story. It also redeems Rassilon.
     
  8. Allyn Gibson

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    I thought Supremacy of the Cybermen was kinda terrible, myself. :)

    The story, if it had been pared down to just the twelfth Doctor plotline, probably would've been okay.
     
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  9. starsuperion

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    Well it wasn't a bad story, I did like the Shada planet tho
     
  10. YellowSubmarine

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    The final Doctor regenerates into The Moment.

    And now, The Curator is both.
     
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  11. Butters

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    It was quite clear that the curator was a future doctor revisiting one of his favourite faces, he even congratulated 11 on being him. Never in a million years would I connect the curator with a conscious bomb. Honestly Moffat, what’s next? Missy was actually The Rani?
     
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  12. Cutie McWhiskers

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    Missy = Rani would have been a lot more logical, rational, consistent, sensical (there, I just coined a word, where's my Pulitzer? :D )...
     
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  13. Christopher

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    Again, it hardly matters who the Curator "really" was. The Curator was an excuse to put Tom Baker in the anniversary, full stop.
     
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  14. Butters

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    Quite right, and an excellent appearance in an excellent scene, but it wasn’t one of Moffat’s many many many unanswered questions.

    That’s only a partial dig at Moffat btw, they were good questions, yay, go Moffat! But they weren’t answered, Moffat go.
     
  15. starsuperion

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    Actually it was a good thing. In that one scene, Moffat sets the precedent on screen that the Doctor can become previous incarnations of himself, or previous faces. Of course this opens the doors for previous actors to regenerate into the Doctor if a show runner wanted to. In the future this may be necessary, or If the ratings slide even more, maybe Smith or Tennant will be chosen to return. In either case, it matters now as In terms of canon regardless of what is said by Moffat after about the moment. The Doctor will sometimes visit old faces..

    Pretty cool. I'm waiting for Sean Pertwee to finish up with Gotham, and return as a version of his father, but different personality as the Doctor is older. So any actor who plays or even replays the Doctor will be able to do it differently then they did before. Think about that. Tennant as the Doctor again, but plays it much differently..intriguingly interesting to say the least.
     
  16. The Nth Doctor

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    That'll never happen. He's made it clear that he will never play any of his father's characters and I'm sure "a version of his father" would fall in that same category.
     
  17. Relayer1

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    I'm quite comfortable with the idea that at some point in his future The Doctor has a regeneration sequence that doesn't quite 'set' (maybe due to location and external environmental factors) and he revisits different incarnations.

    Maybe he has to stop there, maybe he enjoys it, maybe he's retired !
     
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  18. Christopher

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    Doctor Who "canon" has never been a rigid, consistent thing. New stories have either acknowledged, contradicted, or ignored what's been done in the past, depending on what best suited the needs of the moment or the inclinations of a given showrunner.

    And even as far as a strictly literal reading of canon is concerned, the Curator never explicitly confirmed he was a future Doctor. He just said "might" and "perhaps."

    It's a complete misreading of the scene to take that as definitive, unarguable confirmation that the Curator absolutely is a future Doctor. That's not what the Curator said, and it's not what Moffat meant him to say. His speech was deliberately left as ambiguous and open to interpretation as possible, because it wasn't meant to be some deep revelation about canon, it was just an in-joke for fun.
     
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  19. The Wormhole

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    Thank you. This is what annoyed me so much these past few years about the crowd who were insisting the Curator definitely is a future Doctor, no other explanation makes sense.
     
  20. Captaindemotion

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    IIRC, they considered bringing back Patrick Troughton to replace Colin Baker, so the idea of the Doctor regenerating into an old incarnation isn’t that new. I wouldn’t exclude the possibility of someone like Tennant or Smith returning to the role at some stage.
     
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