I just think it stuck out like a sore thumb... like the manual steering column from Insurrection. Hell, Troi is an empath... Picard could've probably just sent a thought her way.
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I just think it stuck out like a sore thumb... like the manual steering column from Insurrection. Hell, Troi is an empath... Picard could've probably just sent a thought her way.
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I just think it stuck out like a sore thumb... like the manual steering column from Insurrection. Hell, Troi is an empath... Picard could've probably just sent a thought her way.
Troi's an empath, not a telepath. The only one we've seen her exhibit telepathic communications with that isn't themselves telepathic is Riker. I doubt Picard and Troi are as close as she is with Riker.
I just don't see what the problem is. Picard was in the process of speaking to Shinzon, keeping him occupied. At the same time, he sent a text message from his console to her console, something that there is abundant precedent for in reality and in TNG as an available means of communication. It makes perfect sense.
And there's no reason it should stick out. How many times have we seen Picard give Riker an order followed by Riker tapping something into the console beside his chair? What do you think he was doing? Writing in his blog? More than likely, he was sending text commands to personnel elsewhere on the ship. This is something they could do. This is something they logically would have done on a routine basis. It's just that we weren't shown the messages because it would've cost money to mock up the display. Instead, we were just shown the actor pretending to send the messages. But a movie has a bigger budget, and obviously the structure of the scene required us to see the message so we'd know what was going on, so we were shown something that was always left implicit before.
And there's no reason it should stick out. How many times have we seen Picard give Riker an order followed by Riker tapping something into the console beside his chair? What do you think he was doing? Writing in his blog? More than likely, he was sending text commands to personnel elsewhere on the ship. This is something they could do. This is something they logically would have done on a routine basis. It's just that we weren't shown the messages because it would've cost money to mock up the display. Instead, we were just shown the actor pretending to send the messages. But a movie has a bigger budget, and obviously the structure of the scene required us to see the message so we'd know what was going on, so we were shown something that was always left implicit before.
The problem is that YOU just don't (or refuse) to get it...
To YOU it makes sense, and that's fine. But to ME, it seemed just laughably silly and ridiculous, because it was. But the thing is, instead of just accepting that for what is it... MY OWN OPINION, you felt this burning need and drive to argue with me about it, and try to beat your own rationale for it into me. You can't just let stuff be, as the fact that various people see things in different ways.
The OP had asked for feedback. I gave mine. You cited the discreet element to the message, to which I cited the use of a PADD as an example. You obviously had some kind of seizure over that or something, because you felt the need to turn THAT into a argument with me as well. You are simply incapable of either accepting someone else's point of view, or you are wholly incapable of accepting criticism of any form.
I stated something you did not agree with. Fine. Leave it at that, and we can agree to disagree. I have truly never in all my time on this BBS, found anyone else that has gone to such pains to consistently disagree with me, or attempt to label me wrong as much as you have... it really is starting me make me pretty damn angry. If you have such a big problem with what I have to say, then either put me on your ignore list, or just stay away from me, so we don't start an argument in a thread.
Well, this is a discussion board, so any opinion stated might be discussed in excruciating detail. Also, it seems to me, that you're the one getting upset, BolianAuthor. For what it's worth, I found your stance just as incomprehensible as Christopher did. 
Yeah, uh, BolianAuthor, if you don't want your opinions disagreed with, don't post them online. That's pretty much a truism of the internet era, isn't it? I see people lots of times dissect Christopher's arguments and give him a lot of shit for having them; it's pretty much just the way this works.
And for the record, I also think your entire point was just shy of totally inane. He's not picking on you because he hates you; he doesn't even know you. He just thinks your opinion is silly. (And he isn't the only one.)
And for the record, I also think your entire point was just shy of totally inane. He's not picking on you because he hates you; he doesn't even know you. He just thinks your opinion is silly. (And he isn't the only one.)
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You are exactly right that I am getting upset... because I have NEVER EVER done anything to Christopher to illicit this kind of response from him... EVERY time I have ever posted anything in a thread of which he was a part, he has done nothing but challenge me on everything, even when I fucking AGREE with him... he has to find some fault in what I have said, or something to call me out on, and I'm fucking sick of it. IMO, this is a form of harassment, and Christopher is harassing me, and I'm not gonna fucking take it anymore.
So, if he has such a problem with me, like I said, he can put me on his ignore list... because I'm not gonna go away, and I'm also not gonna continue to get jumped on by him... I'm entitled to post my thoughts just as much as he is, without being called out on every little thing. If he dislikes what I say, he can ignore it.
You are exactly right that I am getting upset... because I have NEVER EVER done anything to Christopher to illicit this kind of response from him... EVERY time I have ever posted anything in a thread of which he was a part, he has done nothing but challenge me on everything, even when I fucking AGREE with him... he has to find some fault in what I have said, or something to call me out on, and I'm fucking sick of it. IMO, this is a form of harassment, and Christopher is harassing me, and I'm not gonna fucking take it anymore.
So, if he has such a problem with me, like I said, he can put me on his ignore list... because I'm not gonna go away, and I'm also not gonna continue to get jumped on by him... I'm entitled to post my thoughts just as much as he is, without being called out on every little thing. If he dislikes what I say, he can ignore it.
I can tolerate MY point of view being disagreed with... Christopher cannot.
I do not see them as SMS but as requests for information, either from the ship's computer or from specific personnel.
But it does, at least for me. Seeing the actual text and the fact that they use the same short-hand as we do today, kinda threw me out of the moment.
It was one of those things that was best left to the imagination.
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Exactly. That was my point.
Exactly. That was my point.
BolianAuthor,
You need to calm WAAAYYY down. You are literally the only person here who's upset about anything. And what you state you are upset about is standard fare for the internet and discussion boards. If you can't handle that it is YOU who needs to utilize the ignore feature.
And you are right that people are entitled to post their thoughts on this BBS. But you are wrong about "without being called out on every little thing" as long as a poster is posting within the board rules they may post and have an opinion on ANYTHING being said here, regardless of how "small" you deem it to be.
You need to calm WAAAYYY down. You are literally the only person here who's upset about anything. And what you state you are upset about is standard fare for the internet and discussion boards. If you can't handle that it is YOU who needs to utilize the ignore feature.
And you are right that people are entitled to post their thoughts on this BBS. But you are wrong about "without being called out on every little thing" as long as a poster is posting within the board rules they may post and have an opinion on ANYTHING being said here, regardless of how "small" you deem it to be.
I'm not gonna utilize the ignore function, because I can take differing viewpoints... as I have said in this very thread... we can agree to disagree. But Christopher can't let it go, and if you look at the threads where both he and I have posted, there IS a pattern of his constantly challenging me on everything I post. And it's gotten to the point where I see it for what it is... harassment.
He has some problem with me for whatever reason... IDK or care, honestly. But I'm not gonna continue to take this shit from him. If you don't like that, fine. If he doesn't like that, fine. But I'm not gonna sit back and be harassed. If someone disagrees with me, fine. I explain why I have my position, and you explain yours. If neither of us is convinced, we agree to disagree. Simple as that.
He has some problem with me for whatever reason... IDK or care, honestly. But I'm not gonna continue to take this shit from him. If you don't like that, fine. If he doesn't like that, fine. But I'm not gonna sit back and be harassed. If someone disagrees with me, fine. I explain why I have my position, and you explain yours. If neither of us is convinced, we agree to disagree. Simple as that.
Let me be quite clear:
Whatever this line means:
You need to tread carefully with because it could result in your being warned if your "not taking shit" means retorting in a manner inconsistent with the rules and enough warnings racked up will end in a ban.
It is in your best interest to just put Christopher on ignore if you can't handle his posting style or the mere fact that he responds to you.
If there needs to be further discussion on this, let's take it to PM and get this thread back on topic.
Whatever this line means:
You need to tread carefully with because it could result in your being warned if your "not taking shit" means retorting in a manner inconsistent with the rules and enough warnings racked up will end in a ban.
It is in your best interest to just put Christopher on ignore if you can't handle his posting style or the mere fact that he responds to you.
If there needs to be further discussion on this, let's take it to PM and get this thread back on topic.
Hehehehe. Christopher dissects everyone's points. It's his way. It's why we like him. IDIC and all that. So I really can't see that he is deliberately targeting you, just all opinions with which he disagrees.
But you can also set your preferences to ignore him, if you really wanted to.
Mmmm, posted before reading to the end of thread.
Hehehehe. The producers of ST films just can't win. Had we had yet another shot of the back of a PADD or console, and a character reading material we never see, people would have said, "With the budget granted to a motion picture, wouldn't you think they could show us some advanced graphics of what was on the screen."
One day, Nero's touchable, movable, 3D holographic screen graphics of Ambassador Spock (in JJ's movie) will be old hat, and I guess people will complain about that scene looking antiquated, too.
What he said. Christopher does this to everyone (hell, he's done it to me several time {probably more than several}), so it has absoulutely nothing to do with you, it's just the way he is. And, as much as the people who he responds to may hate to admit it, most of the time he is right. Needless to say, this is one of those time where I do agree with him. You're baisically arguing about them using the computer to do something that computers have been doing since people first started using computers. It's like being mad that some is using a phone to talk.
Like most entertainment, it works for some folks and not for others. Not sure I see the issue here.
Well, I thought you were one of the people arguing one side of the issue? You said, "Seeing the actual text and the fact that they use the same short-hand as we do today, kinda threw me out of the moment."
Okay, look... I am gonna say this one last time, and one last time only, because nobody seems to understand just why I'm so angry with Christopher...
YES, he does dissect everyone's posts... yes, it may come across as combative. That is not my beef... I'm used to seeing various posters do this. My issue is that after I cited the PADD example, in response to his comment about Picard needing to communicate discreetly, HE responded by quipping as to how that was relevant, when the fact that it was a discreet form of communication... it WAS relevant.
So...
Instead of just saying, "Okay, BolianAuthor, I agree that it's also a form of discreet communication, but I still have a different view on the issue than you do", he chose to word it in a snide way, and say "How does that remotely make sense?"
THAT is the issue I have with Christopher... he can't just accept that someone might have an equally valid point to something he said, without using seemingly combative wording in response, and he does it constantly with regard to ME... and as I have said twice now... all anyone has to do, is go back into the site history, and check... I am right... it is a pattern... even when I post something meant to AGREE with Christopher, he has to reply with some snarky retort, or word it in a way that sounds like a direct challenge or outright refute of what I posted.
So I am pretty much fed up with his attitude. If he doesn't like what I say, he should just keep quiet, if he is incapable of responding in a diplomatic way that won't illicit anger from other posters. I know many posters do what he does... but he DOES have a history here of doing it much more with me, and what I can't understand is why even when I agree with him, he has to somehow find fault with what I write.
THAT is my issue with him. In any case, I'm not gonna say any more about this. I'm not going to ignore anyone, but I'm also not gonna be treated like dirt when people reply to something I post.
YES, he does dissect everyone's posts... yes, it may come across as combative. That is not my beef... I'm used to seeing various posters do this. My issue is that after I cited the PADD example, in response to his comment about Picard needing to communicate discreetly, HE responded by quipping as to how that was relevant, when the fact that it was a discreet form of communication... it WAS relevant.
So...
Instead of just saying, "Okay, BolianAuthor, I agree that it's also a form of discreet communication, but I still have a different view on the issue than you do", he chose to word it in a snide way, and say "How does that remotely make sense?"
THAT is the issue I have with Christopher... he can't just accept that someone might have an equally valid point to something he said, without using seemingly combative wording in response, and he does it constantly with regard to ME... and as I have said twice now... all anyone has to do, is go back into the site history, and check... I am right... it is a pattern... even when I post something meant to AGREE with Christopher, he has to reply with some snarky retort, or word it in a way that sounds like a direct challenge or outright refute of what I posted.
So I am pretty much fed up with his attitude. If he doesn't like what I say, he should just keep quiet, if he is incapable of responding in a diplomatic way that won't illicit anger from other posters. I know many posters do what he does... but he DOES have a history here of doing it much more with me, and what I can't understand is why even when I agree with him, he has to somehow find fault with what I write.
THAT is my issue with him. In any case, I'm not gonna say any more about this. I'm not going to ignore anyone, but I'm also not gonna be treated like dirt when people reply to something I post.
I simply stated why it didn't work for me. I'm not going to post fifteen times and write a dissertation on "The Validity of Texting on 24th Century Starships". It sometimes amazes me the things we'll argue about taking place in a fictional universe. And how easily we'll treat each other poorly during the course of the conversation.
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